Health Care Organizations Lobbying To Oppose WI Bill - Doctors Asking About Guns

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    Health Care Organizations Lobbying To Oppose WI Bill - Doctors Asking About Guns

    Health care organizations are urging Wisconsin lawmakers to reject proposed legislation that would bar doctors from asking patients if they own guns.

    The measure, unveiled last week by Rep. Michael Schraa, R-Oshkosh, "is detrimental to medical providers' ability to educate patients and in so doing prevent injury and death," the organizations said in a memo Monday to legislators.

    Time to back up your legislators and tell the medical corporations to get out of our lives! We don't have a bill number yet but as soon as we do we will let you know.

    Health groups oppose bill to ban doctors from asking patients about guns : Wsj
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    In general, getting firearms safety advice from a doctor is like getting diet advice from Rosie O'Donnel.
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    Since accidental (=non-criminal, non-suicidal) deaths by guns in the US is one third of the number of deaths by automobile, wouldn't it make more sense for doctors to ask about seat belt use and speeding habits?
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    The academy says pediatricians should provide firearm safety counseling to patients and their parents.
    I could agree to that provided the doctor is a certified NRA Firearms Instructor. As far as my doctor his first question is “What have you bought lately.” We then discuss recent acquisitions for a few minutes, I have run into him at local gun shows and we use the same range.
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    I don't mind them asking. I'd just reply with a polite "that's none of your ------- business, you nurse-groping communist quack."
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    I could agree to that provided the doctor is a certified NRA Firearms Instructor.. As far as my doctor his first question is “What have you bought lately.” We then discuss recent acquisitions for a few minutes, I have run into him at local gun shows and we use the same range.
    OK, I am a doctor who shoots, A NRA Pistol Instructor, and I do ask. The idea that the legislature would presume to tell me what I can and cannot ask a patient is ABSURD. Patients, of course, have the right to answer or not as they see fit.

    We do ask about seat belts, alcohol consumption, sleep patterns, how often you pee, whether you snore when sleeping, your diet, exercise activity, sexual activity and a whole bunch of other things that MAY be clinically relevant. If you don't want to answer, just say, "never mind." There are some significant data which suggest that bringing up things like seat belts encourages people to use them more frequently. Bringing up guns might remind people to store them safely or suggest that they have lead levels tested. (my own lead level was elevated to 17 {safe is <10} and decreased after I paid more attention to the ammo I was using and started using lead wipes at the range. I'm glad I discussed it with my doctor.
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    JMHO, but unless he has a certificate saying NRA Certified Firearms Instructor hanging next to his Medical Degree, he has no valid qualification to talk gun safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    Since accidental (=non-criminal, non-suicidal) deaths by guns in the US is one third of the number of deaths by automobile, wouldn't it make more sense for doctors to ask about seat belt use and speeding habits?
    In the article:
    “It’s no different from any other safety measures,” said Dr. Dipesh Navsaria, a UW Health pediatrician. “We talk about car seats; we talk about bike helmets. We ask if the household cleaners are locked up.”

    Read more: Health groups oppose bill to ban doctors from asking patients about guns : Wsj
    And I know I will be in the minority here but I do not think it is bad for a physician to ask about firearms as long as the intent is on safety. And not, they do not have to be an NFA instructor to provide someone with the four rules of firearm safety and that gun should never be left unattended.

    The law should say that a doctor can not RECORD that you have firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    JMHO, but unless he has a certificate saying NRA Certified Firearms Instructor hanging next to his Medical Degree, he has no valid qualification to talk gun safety.
    So, nobody on this forum is qualified to talk about gun safety to anyone unless they are NRA certified.... It is not that difficult. See my previous post. I swear, sometimes gun owners think they are all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBob View Post
    OK, I am a doctor who shoots, A NRA Pistol Instructor, and I do ask. The idea that the legislature would presume to tell me what I can and cannot ask a patient is ABSURD. Patients, of course, have the right to answer or not as they see fit.

    We do ask about seat belts, alcohol consumption, sleep patterns, how often you pee, whether you snore when sleeping, your diet, exercise activity, sexual activity and a whole bunch of other things that MAY be clinically relevant. If you don't want to answer, just say, "never mind." There are some significant data which suggest that bringing up things like seat belts encourages people to use them more frequently. Bringing up guns might remind people to store them safely or suggest that they have lead levels tested. (my own lead level was elevated to 17 {safe is <10} and decreased after I paid more attention to the ammo I was using and started using lead wipes at the range. I'm glad I discussed it with my doctor.
    Okay Doc....gotta tell you a story. I was injured in the line of duty when I was a cop and was lying on a "roll-away-meat-slab" when the Doc came in and was giving me an exam. I still had my pistol belt and gear on when he asked the nurses to remove the belt. Then he finds out my vest is still on, so off comes it. When the vest came off my neck knife flopped out, so off it goes as well. He starts checking my lower extremities and finds a tactical folder clipped to my left front pocket, so it goes on the surgical tray they rolled over to hold my growning pile of goods. Going to my ankles he finds my boot knife, gives me a funny look as they take it off as well and asks, "Okay Tackelberry...do you have anything else that is going to cut, puncture, poke, or blow up on me?" So, I had to say "Yep". After about 5 minutes of being disarmed, semi-violated by a not-so-Florence Nightingale-looking-nurse and treated as a Haz-Mat case, the surgical tray was straining to hold the numerous knives, guns, batons, sprays, stashed ammo hoards and other goodies, so they called a local cop to come and "baby sit" the stock pile. Apparently he didn't like having them around where he worked and said so. The Doc then ask me, "Why do you carry all those weapons?". I looked at him and replied, "You should see where I work...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    Okay Doc....gotta tell you a story. I was injured in the line of duty when I was a cop and was lying on a "roll-away-meat-slab" when the Doc came in and was giving me an exam. I still had my pistol belt and gear on when he asked the nurses to remove the belt. Then he finds out my vest is still on, so off comes it. When the vest came off my neck knife flopped out, so off it goes as well. He starts checking my lower extremities and finds a tactical folder clipped to my left front pocket, so it goes on the surgical tray they rolled over to hold my growning pile of goods. Going to my ankles he finds my boot knife, gives me a funny look as they take it off as well and asks, "Okay Tackelberry...do you have anything else that is going to cut, puncture, poke, or blow up on me?" So, I had to say "Yep". After about 5 minutes of being disarmed, semi-violated by a not-so-Florence Nightingale-looking-nurse and treated as a Haz-Mat case, the surgical tray was straining to hold the numerous knives, guns, batons, sprays, stashed ammo hoards and other goodies, so they called a local cop to come and "baby sit" the stock pile. Apparently he didn't like having them around where he worked and said so. The Doc then ask me, "Why do you carry all those weapons?". I looked at him and replied, "You should see where I work...."
    I quess looking back I could have simply said, "As long as you don't intend to malpractice with that scalpel, I won't have to malpractice with my Glock".
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    ....according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. The academy says pediatricians should provide firearm safety counseling to patients and their parents.
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    That's odd.....my "academy" told us we should counsel them that we would provide for our safety by using our firearms to make them become patients. Funny ole' world isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBob View Post
    OK, I am a doctor who shoots, A NRA Pistol Instructor, and I do ask. The idea that the legislature would presume to tell me what I can and cannot ask a patient is ABSURD. Patients, of course, have the right to answer or not as they see fit.

    We do ask about seat belts, alcohol consumption, sleep patterns, how often you pee, whether you snore when sleeping, your diet, exercise activity, sexual activity and a whole bunch of other things that MAY be clinically relevant. If you don't want to answer, just say, "never mind." There are some significant data which suggest that bringing up things like seat belts encourages people to use them more frequently. Bringing up guns might remind people to store them safely or suggest that they have lead levels tested. (my own lead level was elevated to 17 {safe is <10} and decreased after I paid more attention to the ammo I was using and started using lead wipes at the range. I'm glad I discussed it with my doctor.
    I disagree due to the simple and brutal misuse ability.

    If ObamanationCare requires a yes/no answer from any doctor, it immediately forces the issue....there is no nevermind choice because they want a backdoor registry. If you say no, you can later be oppressed, subjugated and coerced under legal penalty of perjury for lying to the doctor on the form. Fine, Jail, healthcare revocation, CHL revocation as felon. They now have you by the you know what...backdoor tyranny....all for what is none of their business. Its so easy to do this.

    How about asking me about my steak knifes, 8" phillips head screwdriver shank, claw hammer, etc etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TVJ View Post
    I disagree due to the simple and brutal misuse ability.

    If ObamanationCare requires a yes/no
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    First off the "if" is a crucial matter, and what that means depends entirely on whether or not there is
    some reason in law that prevents you from simply giving the wrong answer.

    I don't think there is. And though I am uncertain, I don't think it is a required question, but I'm willing to be
    educated on that matter if I am wrong.

    Anyone may ask you anything at any time, for any reason. You may tell the truth, tell a lie, evade,
    ignore, as you wish unless it is something you must do as a matter of law and under oath.

    I've been shopping for some new homeowner's insurance and frankly they ask more intrusive questions than
    I'd like, and they have on-line access to all sorts of info that would make NSA envious.
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    Docs should ask if you are or thinking of becoming a politician, big chance of getting aids or hepatitis or sexually transmitted diseases since they all seem to be trying to do all of us
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