Future of national reciprocity?

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    Future of national reciprocity?

    This may be too soon to be discussing this again, but I'm curious on the thoughts of people here. After the defeat of the reciprocity bill back in April, are there any plans at present to try to attain that goal (either through legislation or the court system)? Perhaps if the Republicans take back the Senate in 2014? Given the trend the country is going in, with Illinois on the cusp of going Shall Issue, it seems that this could happen sooner or later.

    Sorry if this is a dumb question.

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    I certainly hope not. National reciprocity means the feds have their fingers in yet another pie they are constitutionally banned from being involved with. If the 2A were simply obeyed we could carry nationally now with no infringement.

    If the states ever work out things until all recognize each others permits fine. We need to keep the feds out of it and work toward pushing back present state and fed gun regs. All are illegal to start with from the first passed to the last.
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    Well, what about court cases that may effectively allow for reciprocity? Similar to the ruling that forced Illinois to go Shall Issue? Is there anything in the pipeline that may help in that regard?

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    All a court including SCOTUS can properly do is uphold 2A as written.

    National anything is going to have to have the Feds involved to put it in place and enforce it which is out of their constitutional authority to do. A better way to get national carry would be if all the authorities involved simply stayed within their constitutional boundaries including SCOTUS. Anything that give the government more power in something they legally have none to start with is a bad thing.

    A court or federally forced national program or to allow that to happen is a horribly bad idea. And the first step to federal regulations and confiscation on a national level. Leave it to the states. At least the politicians in the states can be voted out and influenced by that. The feds and SCOTUS not so much.
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    Some attorney generals in IL. County's are refusing to prosecute concealed carry violations if the person has a valid FOID card or a valid carry permit from another state. IMHO this is the way it should be in every state. The Fed's don't have to be involved. They screw up everything they touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PainCakesx View Post
    This may be too soon to be discussing this again, but I'm curious on the thoughts of people here. After the defeat of the reciprocity bill back in April, are there any plans at present to try to attain that goal (either through legislation or the court system)? Perhaps if the Republicans take back the Senate in 2014? Given the trend the country is going in, with Illinois on the cusp of going Shall Issue, it seems that this could happen sooner or later.

    Sorry if this is a dumb question.
    The "reciprocity bill" ? From April?

    You mean the registration, universal background check bill?

    No thanks. "Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up, here."

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    We need it and there are ways for it to happen, but .... it is about as likely to happen as cold fusion.

    We have too many of our own who hold what they mistakenly think are principled stands against national reciprocity.
    Some of us just happily make life easier for those states which don't want reciprocity.
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    Take the principals out of it for a moment and it simply becomes a dont let the fox in the hen house on purpose stand
    National R would shortly level the field across the states to the most restrictive set of gun laws the feds could find and get by with.
    Now Texas is considered a gun friendly state. So is Ky. Tx no OC, Ky Oc and cc. Tx gun buster signs have force of law, Ky they dont. Now even using Texas as a base why would I or anyone living in a more gun friendly state want to let the feds in so they can impose Texas standards on me in Ky??? Which would be a gentle fall.

    Think more the Feds imposing across the national board the restrictions in NY on everyone. Please dont try to say they wont because everyone knows they will at the first chance they get. To think otherwise is living in a dream world. Otherwise we wouldnt be in this stupid fight with the feds every time someone shoots up a school or theater or other place.
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    Even if the Republicans re-took the Senate, they'd still have nowhere near enough votes to break a filibuster or override a veto by Obama. The only way it could get through is if it was attached to some other piece of legislation that was so important it managed to get around these issues, but even that is a huge long shot.

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    There were many problems with the bill as written. Registration being the worst. What we need is for SCOUS to say that we have the right to carry anywhere. This is without permits or permission from the state. When this great nation was young that's the way it was. That's one of the reasons the 2nd amendment was written. Will it happen. I hope so but im not holding my breath.

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    National Reciprocity? How about the 2nd Amendment is my permit. But I'm not holding my breath either.
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    National Reciprocity is a wolf on sheep's clothing. It would remove a state's power to regulate as its voter's see fit. Some states might benefit, but most would not and would give gun grabbers another tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantioch View Post
    National Reciprocity is a wolf on sheep's clothing. It would remove a state's power to regulate as its voter's see fit. Some states might benefit, but most would not and would give gun grabbers another tool.

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    I don't think the stats have anymore right to regulate firearms than the feds do. Most states have 2nd amendment clauses in there constitutions as well. They pay less attention to them then the feds do. Connecticut being a prime example.
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    IMO, if the only real invasiveness of an NR requirement was for states to simply recognize a CHL holder as a legit GG, and if all CHL folk were required to adhere to the state-specific statutes in the state the person traveled through, then I can perhaps see utility in that. But if the feds get one ounce more of involvement into anything, in terms of control, monitoring, specification of standards/limitations, I'm gonna pass a stone. NO MORE.

    In the long run, I think the liberty-haters are going to fight everything tooth-and-nail, until they drop dead of pointlessness or we erase them permanently from the political scene, keeping them as far from our Constitution and damage to our republic as we can possibly achieve. Until then, they'll keep trying to obliterate the Constitution's protections of our liberties.

    What really needs to occur is a full-reset, a full wipe of all infringements and effective nullification of all arms related statutes, codes and other limitations and controls that seek to make the 2A into something it's not. The People's right to keep arms and to bear/carry arms Shall Not Be Infringed. That's pretty darned simple, right there. And until we again have that in practice, with iron-clad protections, guards and penalties against the liberty-haters who dare lift a finger or exert one ounce of effort to destroy that liberty, we'll have this fight.
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    National Reciprocity does not mean the FED must have oversight.

    Each state has the power to grant reciprocity as it is now. (i.e) I recognize you, you recognize me) Period.

    Indiana for instance grants reciprocity from any state to anyone who has a CC permit w/o intervention from the FED.

    Keep the FED out of it. Perhaps rename this thing and remove the word "National"
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