Quinn To Use Amendatory 'Powers' To Make Changes To Concealed Carry Law

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    Quinn To Use Amendatory 'Powers' To Make Changes To Concealed Carry Law

    Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn intends to take action Tuesday on legislation that would allow guns to be carried in public, and he's widely expected to insert changes to the bill to try to put in place stricter regulations.
    Quinn expected to use amendatory veto powers on concealed carry bill - chicagotribune.com
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    They voted for that Idiot. I can think of one Idiot in D.C. that they promoted. You get what you vote/ask for.
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    The antis simply will not ever give up. And I dont see the Federal government marching troops into illinois to enforce SCOTUS decision as some of the Federally minded folks seem to think they have the nerve to do to over ride a state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    They voted for that Idiot. I can think of one Idiot in D.C. that they promoted. You get what you vote/ask for.
    Perhaps this upcoming course of action will encourage them to vote for someone else next time.
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    Just another Big Brother Bloomberg crony. I wonder how much money the little man has given this genius.

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    "Amendatory veto power?" So basically he's the dictator of Illinois?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    "Amendatory veto power?" So basically he's the dictator of Illinois?
    Yep, to my understanding he is going to rewrite the bill to his liking. One would hope that the rest of the politicians in Illinois aren't as dumb to accept Quinn's crap.
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    Good to read the backlash from the democratic Senator in the article. Here's hoping any "amendments" are quickly shot down and we can pass the current awful bill so we can start chipping away at the infringements already written in to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    They voted for that Idiot. I can think of one Idiot in D.C. that they promoted. You get what you vote/ask for.
    "They" is a bit too broad of a term. I sure as heck didn't vote for the guy so I'd say I'm not getting what I voted/asked for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregivq View Post
    Yep, to my understanding he is going to rewrite the bill to his liking. One would hope that the rest of the politicians in Illinois aren't as dumb to accept Quinn's crap.
    I didn't know Quinn could read or write!

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    He'll probably do it against all the legal advice he receives and then spend $millions in court only to lose more of the state's money again.
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    Another Bloomberg Tool ...

    Illinois: Governor Abuses Amendatory Veto Powers to Propose Semi-Auto Ban

    Posted on August 1, 2012

    Gov. Quinn uses a previously NRA-Backed Ammunition Purchase Reform Bill as Vehicle for Gun Ban

    Yesterday, Illinois Governor Pat Quinn (D) vetoed the NRA-backed ammunition purchase reform bill, Senate Bill 681, after this common sense legislation had passed with overwhelming bipartisan support in the Illinois legislature (previously reported on here). In a crass attempt to exploit the recent tragedy in Colorado and seek media attention, Quinn used his Amendatory Veto powers in a foolhardy attempt to impose more draconian gun control in Illinois. Quinn rewrote the entire bill as an amendment to the Illinois Criminal Code that includes an onerous ban on the manufacture, possession, delivery or sale of commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms (inaccurately referred to as “assault weapons”), .50 caliber rifles and cartridges and “high capacity” magazines in Illinois. Quinn’s amendment additionally tramples on the rights of Illinois citizens by creating a de facto statewide registration scheme for currently-owned firearms and magazines.

    If this amendment is accepted by the Illinois General Assembly, law-abiding citizens in Illinois will be subjected to restrictions far beyond the scope of even the misguided Clinton Federal “Assault Weapons“ Ban that expired in 2004 and any other in existence in the country today. The repercussions of such a gun ban would be disastrous. As demonstrated by the failure of the assault weapon ban of 1994-2004 to produce the crime-reducing results proponents claimed it would, Quinn’s ban would do nothing to increase safety in Illinois and would only further restrict the rights of already law-abiding citizens throughout the state.

    Using the well-worn anti-gun tactic of confusion, by conflating certain popular semi-automatic firearms with machine guns by using the term “assault weapon,” this legislation targets many of the most popular guns used for hunting and competition, as well as many models and magazines (those that hold more than ten rounds) used for self-defense. Banned items would include many familiar and popular firearms, such as:

    Turkey hunting shotguns with pistol grips, like the Benelli Super Black Eagle II;
    Plinking and target rifles with thumbhole stocks, as often seen on customized Ruger 10/22s;
    High-power target rifles -- even including the 1994-2004 versions of rifles like the M1A and AR-15 that were made to comply with the now-expired federal ban -- because all of those rifles had handguards that “encircle” the barrel;
    Any detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifle with even a partial handguard, potentially including common hunting rifles like the popular Remington 740/7400 series, Browning BAR, and many more like them.

    This gun ban would even apply to the individual parts themselves (stocks, pistol grips, handguards, folding or telescoping stocks, etc). Possession, manufacture, delivery or sale of any of these items would be a felony.

    Worse yet, this amended bill would impose a massive statewide gun registration scheme. Anyone who already possesses one of the banned guns or parts would have to provide proof of ownership and register each one with the State Police within ninety days of the effective date. This registration requirement spans from the firearm itself to individual parts and magazines that fall under the ban.

    Governor Quinn and his band of anti-gun Chicago politicians would like to see their vicious attack on the Second Amendment play out across Illinois, even as Chicago—with the state’s most restrictive gun laws—is on track to tally more than 500 murders this year.

    The repercussions of such a gun ban would actually be just the opposite of what proponents claim and the results would be disastrous. Firearms manufacturing is estimated to be a $250 million dollar industry in Illinois. Not only would this gun ban be devastating to law-abiding citizens in Illinois, it also would wreak havoc on an entire industry, killing jobs and driving a healthy contributor to the Illinois economy out of state. This legislation in no way promotes the safety or well-being of Illinois citizens, but is merely another attempt by gun-hating Chicago politicians to use misinformation to push draconian gun bans that will only affect gun owners, sportsmen and law-abiding citizens concerned about self-defense.

    Your Action Is Needed! The Illinois General Assembly will reconvene on August 17th for their special session, and could vote on the Governor's amendment to Senate Bill 681. Contact your state legislators TODAY and demand they oppose the Governor’s gun ban!


    This is older info from 2012 ...obviously not his first shot at his Super Amendatory Powers .....See a repeating theme here ?

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    The idiot has one of the highest murder rates in the nation and one of the lowest gun crime conviction rates but wants to restrict the right of the citizens to protect themselves. Where are his recommendations on reducing gang violence/murders in the state that has been a major problem for the past 100 plus years.

    The governor appears to have been a nice man in the past but has been corrupted by his own sense of being all knowing as are most democraps.

    As some say it would turn the state into the wild, wild west. I agree that it could for a short while and only until the bad guys learn that they are not the only ones with guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    "Amendatory veto power?" So basically he's the dictator of Illinois?
    If the people allowed the elected reps to cede such power to the Gov., then effectively yes, at least in terms of one person making amendments to law. Seems to defy the spirit of elected representation, though, with law-making powers squarely held by the legislature. The Gov. is an exec admin only, not a law-maker, yet such power effectively makes him such. Seems ridiculous to me. Particularly in cases where we're speaking of infringements on the BOR-protected right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    If the people allowed the elected reps to cede such power to the Gov., then effectively yes, at least in terms of one person making amendments to law. Seems to defy the spirit of elected representation, though, with law-making powers squarely held by the legislature. The Gov. is an exec admin only, not a law-maker, yet such power effectively makes him such. Seems ridiculous to me. Particularly in cases where we're speaking of infringements on the BOR-protected right.
    Speaking of .....You hit that on the head my friend ! The past actions worked out so well for former Governors !

    The veto power of the Illinois governor goes far beyond that of the President of the United States, who has only total veto power, and beyond that of many state governors. Under the old 1870 Constitution, governors had only total, item and reduction veto power. However, they had on occasion told legislators what changes could be made in a vetoed bill to render it acceptable. Legislators could then submit an amended bill with those changes, pass it again, and resend it to the governor for his approval. The 1970 Constitution formalized what had been an informal procedure.

    How far an Illinois governor can go with an amendatory veto has been debated almost from the beginning. The first court case questioning a governor's amendatory veto power dates back to 1971. In 1974, voters rejected a proposed amendment to limit amendatory veto power to technical corrections and matters of form.

    The Illinois Supreme Court has ruled that an amendatory veto cannot create an entirely new bill, change the fundamental purpose of a bill, or make "substantial or expansive changes" in a bill. However, the court has also ruled that a governor can make changes that go beyond technical corrections (typographical or drafting errors) or matters of form.

    Recent actions of current Gov. Rod Blagojevich have revived concerns about abuse of the amendatory veto. Blagojevich has on many occasions used amendatory vetoes to substantially change or add provisions to a bill well beyond what the General Assembly intended. He considers these actions justified and calls his efforts the "Rewrite to Do Right" campaign. Some examples include:

    -- The governor added to a bill funding Chicago area mass transit a provision requiring mass transit districts statewide to offer free rides to their district residents age 65 or older. Legislators accepted the changes so that Chicago mass transit -- which had threatened a "doomsday" of drastic route cuts and layoffs -- would not be endangered.

    -- The General Assembly passed a bill requiring health insurers to keep dependent college students covered under a parent's insurance for up to 12 months if the student is forced to withdraw from classes for health reasons. Blagojevich rewrote it to require insurers to offer dependent coverage through age 26 for all young adults, and up to age 30 for military veterans. Legislators accepted the changes.

    -- In early September, Blagojevich attempted to rewrite a long-anticipated ethics bill barring entities with state contracts of $50,000 or more from making campaign contributions to the governor and other statewide executive officers. The bill was squarely aimed at Blagojevich's practice of openly soliciting such contributions, which other executive officers voluntarily refuse. The governor rewrote the contractor contribution ban to apply not only to executive officers, but also to members of the General Assembly, and to ban campaign donations of any amount from any employee of a state or local government (with some exceptions) -- a ban broad enough to raise serious constitutional questions. The Illinois House quickly overrode the veto, leaving the original version of the bill intact. However, the Illinois Senate voted to override only after presidential candidate Barack Obama, a former state senator, personally asked the Senate President to permit an override vote.

    The AV of the transit bill prompted one legislator, Rep. John Fritchey, D-Chicago, to introduce a constitutional amendment to remove the governor's amendatory veto power. "If the governor is unable to play with his toys (properly), we're going to take his toys away from him," Fritchey said at the time. The House took no action on the amendment, however.

    Any change in the governor's amendatory veto power would likely attempt to restrict it in such a way as to prevent rewriting of bills too far beyond what the General Assembly intended to pass. Still, some say the problem is not AV power in itself but the manner in which the current governor has used it.

    "What Rod has done with this, to play these kinds of games with it, is certainly not what it was intended for," former lawmaker and gubernatorial candidate Dawn Clark Netsch told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

    As a delegate to the 1970 con-con, Netsch drafted the present amendatory veto provision as a way for governors to clean up minor language problems or inconsistencies in legislation after it had passed. However, she still believes AV power "can be a very useful device when used responsibly" and should not be restricted or removed simply because of the current governor's abuses.

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    Illinois Constitution Annotated for Legislators, Fourth Edition, 2005. http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lru/ILConstitution.pdf

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