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    Seems a lot of gun people are not agreeing with the terms. One states if you can't carry on public transit that would eliminate a good many people in the Metro area, and that is probably the area that CC is most needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldpsufan View Post
    Seems a lot of gun people are not agreeing with the terms. One states if you can't carry on public transit that would eliminate a good many people in the Metro area, and that is probably the area that CC is most needed.
    Yep, the idiocy is rampant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldpsufan View Post
    Seems a lot of gun people are not agreeing with the terms. One states if you can't carry on public transit that would eliminate a good many people in the Metro area, and that is probably the area that CC is most needed.
    Well, those gun people need a valium.
    This is a "good first step" bill, same as CCW laws in other states have been...they evolve after a couple of years. Geeze Louise...The "I want it all and I want it Now" approach doesn't get you anything.

    But it just "might" get us rid of Gov. Quinn, and that's another good step.

    he P'O'd a lot of people with that veto, and many of them were down state Dems.

    As for CCW...we've got to give it a chance to take hold. Many in Illinois are pretty skeptical. That needs to be soothed away and that takes time and good behavior on the part of armed citizens.


    Illinois lawmakers override Quinn CCW veto

    Anti-gun Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn suffered a serious defeat today as lawmakers in Springfield voted to override his “amendatory veto” .....

    Illinois lawmakers override Quinn CCW veto - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
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    Looks like Illinois want to be king, got taken down a notch....GOOD....
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    Another Anti Gun Failure ! Go Illinois !!

    SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) — Illinois became the last state in the nation to allow public possession of concealed guns as lawmakers rushed Tuesday to finalize a proposal ahead of a federal court's deadline.

    Both chambers of the Legislature voted to override changes Gov. Pat Quinn made to the bill they approved more than a month ago. Even some critics of the law argued it was better to approve something rather than risk the courts allowing virtually unregulated concealed weapons in Chicago, which has endured severe gun violence in recent months.

    The Senate voted 41-17 in favor of the override Tuesday afternoon after the House voted 77-31, margins that met the three-fifths threshold needed to set aside the amendatory veto. Quinn had used his veto authority to suggest changes such as prohibiting guns in restaurants that serve alcohol and limiting gun-toting citizens to one firearm at a time.

    Quinn had predicted a "showdown in Springfield" after a week of Chicago appearances to drum up support for the changes he made in the amendatory veto. The Chicago Democrat faces a tough re-election fight next year and has already drawn a primary challenge from former White House chief of state Bill Daley, who has criticized the governor's handling of the debate over guns and other issues.

    Rep. Brandon Phelps, a Democrat from southern Illinois, predicted a history-making day in which lawmakers would dismiss Quinn's changes as politically motivated.

    "He's trying to cater to, pander to Cook County," Phelps said, referring to the nation's second most-populous county, which encompasses Chicago. "And I don't blame him ... because that's where his votes are."

    The law as approved by the Legislature permits anyone with a Firearm Owner's Identification card who has passed a background check and undergone gun-safety training of 16 hours — longest of any state — to obtain a concealed-carry permit for $150.

    The Illinois State Police would have six months to set up a system to start accepting applications. Spokeswoman Monique Bond said police expect 300,000 applications in the first year.

    The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in December that it's unconstitutional for Illinois to ban concealed carry. The court gave state officials until June 9 to rectify the shortfall, and later extended that by a month.

    Opinions varied about what would have happened had a law not taken effect. Gun supporters said it would have meant with no law governing gun possession, any type of firearm could be carried anywhere, at any time. Those supporting stricter gun control said local communities would have been able to set up tough restrictions.

    With the negotiated law, gun-rights advocates got the permissive law they wanted, instead of a New York-style plan that gives law enforcement authorities wide discretion over who gets permits. In exchange, Chicago Democrats repulsed by gun violence got a long list of places deemed off limits to guns, including schools, libraries, parks and mass transit buses and trains.

    But one part of the compromise had to do with establishments that serve alcohol. The law will allow diners to carry weapons into restaurants and other establishments where liquor comprises no more than 50 percent of gross sales. One of the main provisions of Quinn's amendatory veto was to nix guns in businesses that serve any alcohol.

    He also wants to limit citizens to carrying one gun at a time, a gun that is completely concealed, not "mostly concealed" as the initiative decrees. He prefers banning guns from private property unless an owner puts up a sign allowing guns — the reverse of what's in the proposal — and would give employers more power to prohibit guns at work.

    Senate President John Cullerton, a Chicago Democrat, gave a nod to Quinn's wishes by putting before his caucus new legislation that incorporated the changes Quinn prefers. But Democrats had not said by early Tuesday whether they would vote on the bill. Phelps said he didn't know whether the House would consider it, although House Speaker Michael Madigan, D-Chicago, kept the chamber in session in case a new bill arrived from the Senate.

    Senate Republican Leader Christine Radogno of Lemont said it's clear the issue would be addressed again in the future but the Senate should focus Tuesday on meeting the court deadline.

    "For today, we should stick with the agreement that was in place," Radogno said. "It's important to follow through."

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    The concealed carry bill is HB183. The Quinn changes are in HB1453.

    Online: Illinois General Assembly Home Page

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    I am too lazy to read all this. Is it going to be shall issue or may issue?
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    It is good to see that the legislators had the gonads to stand against the govenor. Actions such as this send a very strong message to others across the nation.
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    16 hours of "training."

    150 bucks for a permit.

    What did that idiot say? 70 people shot and 12 dead last weekend.

    From a town where handguns are illegal, no permits at this time.

    Why, how could that be?

    Come on mayor. Remove your head from where it is and put it where it belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by multistage View Post
    16 hours of "training."

    150 bucks for a permit.

    What did that idiot say? 70 people shot and 12 dead last weekend.

    From a town where handguns are illegal, no permits at this time.

    Why, how could that be?

    Come on mayor. Remove your head from where it is and put it where it belongs.
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    "Following a weekend of horrific violence in Chicago in which at least 70 people were shot and 12 killed, this was the wrong move for public safety in Illinois," Quinn said
    Isn't this imposible? After all, at the present guns are illegal in Chicago.

    Quinn gave the NRA a nice indorsement. Quinn doesn't like the NRA, can you think of any better reason for joining?

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    Quote Originally Posted by multistage View Post
    16 hours of "training."

    150 bucks for a permit.

    What did that idiot say? 70 people shot and 12 dead last weekend.

    From a town where handguns are illegal, no permits at this time.

    Why, how could that be?

    Come on mayor. Remove your head from where it is and put it where it belongs.
    Well it may not be the best CC setup but as Dave Workman said, the IL gun owners got their foot in the door. Now y'all need to tweak it the way you want it. Dump that no CC on the Metro. Some of the surliest people I've ever seen were riding transit.

    Let us all hope for IL gun owners the State Police don't drag their feet working up the application process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fausty View Post
    I am too lazy to read all this. Is it going to be shall issue or may issue?
    Shall issue.
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    Outstanding. I really hope they have reciprocity with us but I doubt it if there is a minimum 16 hours training. We have 3.
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    I can hear the Govenor and Mayor now ....

    Now that CCW has passed we can start that Gun Buyback program and I can finally find the gun I really want ......

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