July 20th, 2013 06:48 PM
Disappointed with the ACLU
I was doing a bit of web-surfing today and noticed the ACLU has a restrictive view of the second amendment.
Given the ACLU's historically liberal agenda, I'm not entirely surprised to learn this is their stance, but I am disappointed that the ACLU would not try to take the broadest view of the bill of rights and defend the same. Once you start being selective in supporting specific rights, you undermine all rights. I like the idea of the ACLU, but given their apparent anti-gun bias, I can't support them.
Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right
. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view. This position is currently under review and is being updated by the ACLU National Board in light of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in D.C. v. Heller in 2008.
In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia. The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. However, particular federal or state laws on licensing, registration, prohibition, or other regulation of the manufacture, shipment, sale, purchase or possession of guns may raise civil liberties questions.
Anyone here see the ACLU differently or support their efforts?
July 20th, 2013 06:52 PM
The ACLU is horribly misnamed, and their statist foolishness deserves to be discredited for what it is. Their label serves to fool the gullible, but when you look at the issues they pursue/endorse, their true colors show through. I have no respect for them.
July 20th, 2013 07:08 PM
It's pretty hard for me to be disappointed by a group for which I have the lowest possible expectations.
July 20th, 2013 07:20 PM
Not much from the American Communist Lobbying Union surprises me.....
July 20th, 2013 07:21 PM
The ACLU is staffed by lawyers that do most of it for free. Unfortunately, most of them have an agenda to push and they use that forum specifically to advance that agenda. The forum is a gathering of socialist/communist/idealists/utopians and hippys that never got past the 60's.
The more you read about them, the more you watch what they do and who they represent, the more you want to have them all arrested for undermining the morals that this country was founded on. Evil lives and abides there.
I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.
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July 20th, 2013 07:23 PM
The police are not there to protect you from crime, they are there to arrest the guy after the crime has been committed, assuming they find him. It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family.
July 20th, 2013 10:11 PM
Militia -- us, we the People, the entire adult citizenry capable of bearing arms. NOT a military force affiliated with the elitist governing few in any way, shape or form.
Originally Posted by ACLU's view of the 2A/RKBA
Well-regulated -- capable and effective. NOT "controlled" by an elitist governing few.
Layman's reading of the 2A, essentially, IMO: Because a capable and effective citizenry is vital to the citizenry remaining free, the right of each person to keep arms and to bear/carry arms shall not be infringed, disallowed, watered-down, erased or otherwise impeded in any manner whatsoever.
Of course, viewing a land of the People, by the People, for the People gets in the way of the elitist, power-mongering view that the citizens must be controlled in some manner in order to make the elitists safe from the People. All that's needed, in that regard, is for the elitist power-mongers to pull the finger out, and to keep it out. The People are doing just fine, without being fingered all day long.
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July 20th, 2013 10:21 PM
When you get right down to it they are the AC Liberties We Believe In Union.
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July 20th, 2013 10:27 PM
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Guns are like sex and air...its no big deal until YOU can't get any.
July 21st, 2013 01:42 AM
In my estimation not many really like the ACLU.....they end up being a tool to be used to make a given group miserable.
Originally Posted by Nix
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July 21st, 2013 03:06 AM
Despite the overall negative tone of the ACLU's position on the 2nd Amendment, I find this part of their statement encouraging....
However, particular federal or state laws on licensing, registration, prohibition, or other regulation of the manufacture, shipment, sale, purchase or possession of guns may raise civil liberties questions.
That's actually more than I hoped for.
"The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come." ~ Confucius
July 21st, 2013 04:25 AM
Just a note, because I've had similar discussions elsewhere, including links to that same statement.
Originally Posted by Gene83
Since that press release, the ACLU has filed briefs in at least two cases *supporting* the right to own guns. Unfortunately, I don't have those links handy at this point.
July 21st, 2013 05:48 AM
"Disappointed with the ACLU"
Yeah, me too....
July 21st, 2013 08:49 AM
It isn't surprising, its just an anti-constitutional view.
Regardless of agrement or disagreement, it was the ruling.
Now it is up to US to mandate our elected officials uphold that ruling.
That is the way our system was designed to work and it is our further responsibility to maintain adherence to that system.
Without the individual right no guarantee of liberties, any of which the ACLU pretends to defend, exists in any real validity.
July 21st, 2013 09:28 AM
I'm disappointed with the ACLU, but for different reasons. While rallying for Trayvon, the leader couldn't name ONE child victim of gang violence in Chicago when asked. Obama, Sharpton, ACLU, and all those butthurt over the Zimmerman verdict ignore the elephant in the room: Black on Black violence and gang violence. If those weren't an issue, guns wouldn't be an issue either.
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