There’s Lead In The Amnesty Ointment

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    There’s Lead In The Amnesty Ointment

    There's Lead In The Amnesty Ointment

    Interesting, with amnesty will come a right to purchase and possibly bare arms. All 11 to 20 million of them.

    The author(s) seem to think it might help the Republican cause. I'm not to sure.

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    All citizens should have the same rights.

    I just disgree with the timing/method of granting citizenship to illegals. Secure the border and then I am willing to entertain ideas on how to handle those already here, but they should never get in line in front of someone who has followed the legal path.
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    Borders first, Deportation of nonimigration status criminals second Removal from dole third and then Amnesty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady View Post
    There's Lead In The Amnesty Ointment

    Interesting, with amnesty will come a right to purchase and possibly bare arms. All 11 to 20 million of them.

    The author(s) seem to think it might help the Republican cause. I'm not to sure.

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    I too agree on the questionable timing. We definitely need to fix the illegal crisis -- and it is a crisis, non-citizens receiving health care benefits, etc. -- but to just do something that's nothing more than politically motivated is just as wrong as voting for the health care act without actually reading it.
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    Evidentally they are bringing the lead with them.....at least the cartel drug smugglers are bringing theirs. Problem is they tend to use theirs when they get on this side of river. Any bill should provide for a secure border and not just a speed-bump on this side of the Rio Grande.

    That being said, I would not begrudge anyone that wants to, and eventually becomes, a citizen, the individual rights that many GI's gave their lives to protect. However, I personally think that since they initially came here illegally and, for lack of a better term, obtained their citizenship through an artificial backdoor, that they should have the rights of citizenship granted them over a period of time. During this period they must obtain and maintain employment, pay back taxes (like the rest of us), undergo background checks, etc. Simply put, they should not come here looking for a handout, but a "hand-up" to a better country than from whence they came.

    Everyone else that has jumped through the hoops and done things the prescribed legal way should have priority over those who have not. The "amnesty" crowd warrants closer review, and should have a gradual path to citizenship, because they chose to break our laws and "climb the fence" instead of "knocking on the door".
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    Most of us were or come from immigrants. Very tuff situation. On one hand those of us who are retired owe our ss checks to the 11 million of them who work here and pay into the system without getting anything back. Last year a estimated 55 million dollars into the system from illegals some estimate that number to be almost double that its hard to track. On the other hand they clog our healthcare system to the point the emergency rooms cannot care for the critically injured or very sick in a timely manner. The mexicans that are coming here for the most part are religious family oriented an hard workers. I personally like them much better than our home grown urban welfare class what ever their race. Much smarter people than me better figure out something to secure our borders, that is the biggest problem to keep out criminals an give the people looking for a better life an willing to work for it a fair chance at the American dream.
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    I don't know.Sometimes I wonder if the immigrant thing will end up biting the Democrats in the tail.

    From what I see, the Mexicans are some gun buying fanatics. Once they figure out that they aren't illegal to own, they buy lots of guns and ammo.

    Most of the ones that I know are very conservative...almost to the point of being ultra conservative. They are very family oriented and some of them have become hard-core anti-liberals, because they think that liberals are enemies of common sense.


    Yeah, included in the masses there is going to be some riff-raff. Like always.

    That amnesty thing is going to happen and contrary to popular belief there is nothing we can do about it in spite of the charades and musings that some in Congress are doing in a feeble attempt to make us think that we have a choice in it.
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    Gotta fix the illegal immigration problem before giving amnesty (I don't agree with amnesty) or else this will be a topic discussed every few decades when more people come in to the country illegally and then want to be automatic citizens or legal residents or whatever they want to be.

    I don't agree that giving amnesty will help the Republican cause or be a good thing for gun owners. The Hispanics, who are the primary focus of amnesty, have been voting Democratic for years, and there's no reason for them to change their tune. More Democrats means more votes for anti-gun politicians.
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    Regardless of citizenship, any legal resident of the U.S. has the right to keep and bear arms, The right to free speech, and most of the rights, if not all of them granted under the BOR.

    Citizenship is required for voting, holding office, but not for rights.

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    No amnesty. No coddling. No tolerance. They all go back. Any of them born here to illegals go back with them. "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are the most important words in all of the 14th Amendment.
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    Make them legal and collect the taxes due. Pocahontas never issued us papers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Make them legal and collect the taxes due. Pocahontas never issued us papers.
    The Native Americans didn't have a codified immigration process, either. We do.

    It is a privilege to live in a country with the freedoms that we do, including the right to bear arms. I understand why people want to come here and I'm all in favor of it, but the process has to be followed.
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    The native Americans only tomahawks and bows and arrows, which proved woefully inadequate for stopping unwanted immigration in their times.

    You can have ideology or you can have reality. If you think millions are going to leave so they can re-enter legally, you're not living in reality. Why continue to have them living under the radar, sucking up scarce funding, when they can be legalized and become more productive citizens. Is it right that they entered illegally, trying to do what all immigrants have done since day one--make a better life for themselves? No, but what is, is, and all the whining and complaining in the world is not going to alter the fact that they are here and the issue needs to be dealt with.

    What would benefit this country more: spending time and money (which we don't have) to expel millions of people, or to make the best of a bad situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    The native Americans only tomahawks and bows and arrows, which proved woefully inadequate for stopping unwanted immigration in their times.

    You can have ideology or you can have reality. If you think millions are going to leave so they can re-enter legally, you're not living in reality. Why continue to have them living under the radar, sucking up scarce funding, when they can be legalized and become more productive citizens. Is it right that they entered illegally, trying to do what all immigrants have done since day one--make a better life for themselves? No, but what is, is, and all the whining and complaining in the world is not going to alter the fact that they are here and the issue needs to be dealt with.

    What would benefit this country more: spending time and money (which we don't have) to expel millions of people, or to make the best of a bad situation?
    Plus, we need them and their progeny to pay our SS benefit, which we already paid, but which was stolen from us in order to make the books balance..

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