Harvard Law study: more guns do NOT increase murder/suicide rates

Harvard Law study: more guns do NOT increase murder/suicide rates

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    Harvard Law study: more guns do NOT increase murder/suicide rates

    Moderators: This may have already been posted, but I didn't see it. Also, I would love to see a "sticky" where there is a collection of scholarly articles like this one

    http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
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    HMMM...Socio-economics, not firearms, have a great effect on crime.

    You heard it first here, straight from Harvard Law:

    "On the other hand, in nations that have experienced
    high and rising violent crime rates, the legislative reaction
    has generally been to enact increasingly severe antigun laws.
    This is futile, for reducing gun ownership by the law‐abiding citizenry—
    the only ones who obey gun laws—does not reduce violence
    or murder. The result is that high crime nations that ban guns
    to reduce crime end up having both high crime and stringent gun
    laws, while it appears that low crime nations that do not significantly
    restrict guns continue to have low violence rates."
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    Interesting article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott View Post
    Got a date on that document? The doc itself doesn't seem to indicate when this was written, though there are a few references in the footnotes to 2009.
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    When was this study released?

    I may have overlooked the date when I scanned the material.
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    Archive | Harvard JLPP

    here is the website to the original article in context: it is Spring 2007
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    This doesn't look like a study, it looks like a review of other studies. That said, I don't know how research papers in this field work. In my field (biomedical research), I'll happily make use of book chapters as a way of learning new materials, but we'd not call it a 'study'. I also see no funding information, which I also associate with studies.

    I'm not a sociologist, so I don't know if my experience translates. :)
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    The fact that this is a Harvard based study, even though it supports my particular position regarding guns and murder/suicide rates,, does not IMO add one iota to it's credibility or accuracy.

    Anything coming out of Harvard has a certain "smell" to it that offends my olfactory receptors more often than not.
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    That raises an interesting question. At some point, we need to figure out information sources by which to form our opinions. Looking for information sources that confirm our opinions is probably the wrong way to go about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott View Post
    Moderators: This may have already been posted, but I didn't see it. Also, I would love to see a "sticky" where there is a collection of scholarly articles like this one

    http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
    It is difficult for me to realize that someone actually needed to study this!
    Where is "common sense" today?

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    Several months back, I posted a discussion about that study on the cesspool called DailyKos, where it received an explosive response (can we say "heads exploding") that culminated in that user account being terminated.

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    And so now we have a study saying the reality of the situation but I will explain, WHY!!! Because guns don't commit murder or suicide, people do.

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    A few years back, Harvard released a study proving that the United States Government could function on a 2% federal tax rate. That study faded into obscurity after the Harvard "Powers that be" realized how much momentum the study was gaining. I would not be surprised that the study on firearms finds the fate.

    Seems that most studies, from Harvard, that are contrary to liberal thinking, eventually find their way into the blackness of nowhere.
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    Harvard Law study? IIRC, Don Kates is a Yale man. Just sayin'.

    Contributed to the Journal, perhaps. Maybe even did a few studies on a grant that originated out of Harvard. But ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    Several months back, I posted a discussion about that study on the cesspool called DailyKos, where it received an explosive response (can we say "heads exploding") that culminated in that user account being terminated.
    Sounds like it might have been fun to sit back and watch the fireworks
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