But wait, there's more : CNN talks mental health, not gun control

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    But wait, there's more : CNN talks mental health, not gun control

    CNN has continued its turn away from stories demanding gun control, and into a new direction.

    Reframing the gun control debate: Is mental health the next focus? - CNN.com

    "Polls also indicate the public favors increased mental health treatment as a way to prevent gun violence. Asked how much better mental health services would help the problem, 46% said "a lot," while 35% said "some," and 9% said "not much," according to a CBS News poll from February 2013—at the height of this year's gun control debate."
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    Are we in Bizarro World?
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    It will be hard for them to talk mental health they don't have that much insight.
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    How about the Psychiatrist who pulled the terrorist-massacre at FT Hood ?

    The D.C. terrorist shooting at the Naval Yard Military Base by the Dept of Defense contractor, just proved that "Background Checks" are also useless, too, since the 'perp' had recently had THREE background checks: One for the Dept of Defense, One for his 870 Rem Shotgun (+10 day wait), and a State CPL background check.

    It seems our 22,300+ Gun Control laws only serve to get more people killed.
    I haven't watched "TV News" in years.... they are worse than newspapers (at least I can line my birds cage with 'newspaper'.... he knows what its good for).

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    The definition of mental health is nearly as accurate as defining pornography--"I know it when I see it." For example, I am completely prepared to define an entire class of American residents as insane with a clearly defined propensity for causing harm to the Constitution.
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    So now it's the slippery slope of Mental Health determination. Add in the coming OCare rules for Doctors to ask you all about your personal life, sprinkle in the view that all Military Veterans must have PTSD, and wammie, defacto gun control through denial of rights.

    On the up side. This is where the problem lies, and where 'Violence Control' should focus. Baseball bats and carpenter hammers should be the first thing restricted from people who are found to be mentally questionable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    So now it's the slippery slope of Mental Health determination. Add in the coming OCare rules for Doctors to ask you all about your personal life, sprinkle in the view that all Military Veterans must have PTSD, and wammie, defacto gun control through denial of rights.

    On the up side. This is where the problem lies, and where 'Violence Control' should focus. Baseball bats and carpenter hammers should be the first thing restricted from people who are found to be mentally questionable.
    "(Baseball bats and carpenter hammers) VOTES should be the first thing restricted from people who are found to be mentally questionable."

    I wish I knew how to make the strikethrough thing happen. Please apply the strikethrough idea to the words contained in the parentheses.
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    This is an article from December, but I find this part particularly interesting:

    "The federal government does not have the constitutional authority to require state agencies to report data. The most it can do is offer funding — or withhold dollars — in an attempt to entice states to participate, just as they did with the law after the Virginia Tech shooting."

    The NRA wants an ?active? mental illness database. Thirty-eight states have that now.


    So, gun registries that mainly focus on law abiding citizens are OK to some politicians, but when it comes to mental health registries for people with known problems it becomes a constitutional issue. Go figure.

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    I sure do hope all this anti-gun attention is turned toward mental illness. I am perfectly sane. It's everyone that concerns me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    So now it's the slippery slope of Mental Health determination. Add in the coming OCare rules for Doctors to ask you all about your personal life, sprinkle in the view that all Military Veterans must have PTSD, and wammie, defacto gun control through denial of rights.
    I was thinking the same thing. And, I would not put it past some officials to declare Christians, Libertarians, Tea Party Conservatives, etc. mentally ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I sure do hope all this anti-gun attention is turned toward mental illness. I am perfectly sane. It's everyone that concerns me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poorly View Post
    The definition of mental health is nearly as accurate as defining pornography--"I know it when I see it." For example, I am completely prepared to define an entire class of American residents as insane with a clearly defined propensity for causing harm to the Constitution.
    And don't forget that large segment that suffers from hoplophobia.
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    Approximately 58% of adults in the U.S. have a diagnosable mental disorder as of the 2004 census. (but they ain't out shootin' folks)

    Add in any type of anxiety, depression or stress and nearly anyone could be "technically" termed as having a "mental disorder."

    Were you "depressed" when Grandma died?
    Has your job ever caused you any "stress"?
    Did you feel any "anxiety" when that car rear-ended yours?
    That should cover about everyone.
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    I have read numerous articles lately which state that the one thing these mass shooters have had in common over the last 20 years is that they have all been treated using strong psychiatric drugs. The media may have been reluctant to pursue this clue because the pharmaceutical companies spend billions in advertising each year. Here is the text from one of the better articles I've come across. Long read, but worth it IMO.

    "It has been confirmed that Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis was on the anti-depressant drug Trazodone, providing yet another example of a connection between psychiatric drugs and mass shootings.


    In verifying that Alexis was prescribed Trazodone by the Veterans Affairs Office, the Washington Post published a brief article downplaying the danger of the drug, quoting Miami physician Gabriela Cora who stated, “Honestly, it’s a very safe drug to use.”

    However, the drug has been linked to a number of murders, including one mass shooting.

    Trazodone is sold under the brand names Desyrel, Oleptro, Beneficat, Deprax, Desirel, Molipaxin, Thombran, Trazorel, Trialodine, Trittico, and Mesyrel. Although not strictly a member of the SSRI class of antidepressants, it shares many of the same properties and also serves to increases the amount of serotonin in the brain.

    Despite the Washington Post’s attempts to portray the drug as being safe, it is linked with a whole host of side-effects including suicidal tendencies, panic attacks, depersonalization and anger. Symptoms of Trazodone withdrawal include aggression and violent behavior.

    The drug also carries an, “FDA black box warning for suicide, and is documented to cause mania and violent behavior,” writes Kelly Patricia O’Meara.

    Several murder cases over the past few years have been directly connected to Trazodone.

    - Eight people were killed and one wounded during a mass shooting at a beauty parlor in Seal Beach, California in 2011. The killer, Scott Evan Dekraai, was on Desyrel, a commercial variant of Trazodone.

    - In 2009, Perley Goodrich Jr. beat his mother and then shot his father dead shortly after being injected with Trazodone in a psychiatric hospital. Goodrich had complained that he didn’t want to take the medication because it made him feel violent.

    - In 2009, Steven Foster shot a gas station attendant in the head before shooting him a second time. Bottles of Trazodone pills were later found in Foster’s room.

    - Marine Lance Cpl. Delano Holmes fatally stabbed an Iraqi soldier to death in 2007 after military doctors prescribed him Trazodone.

    - Indiana soldier Pfc. David Lawrence was taking Trazodone in combination with Zoloft when he killed a Taliban commander in a prison cell in 2010. Lawrence was charged with premeditated murder. According to the FDA, taking these drugs in combination can cause “altered consciousness, confusion, hallucinations and coma.”

    This is interesting given that Aaron Alexis had also suffered from PTSD, blackouts and anger issues years before he began receiving treatment from the VA. Was he on more than just one anti-depressant drug at the time of the rampage?

    As we highlighted yesterday [Wednesday], the establishment media has been loath to make the connection between Alexis’ rampage and anti-depressants, despite hundreds of other cases of suicides, murders and mass shootings linked to psychiatric drugs.

    Presumably keen to protect around $2.4 billion in advertising revenue that comes from pharmaceutical companies every year, the media failed to even address the question of psychiatric drugs and instead blamed the rampage on the AR-15 assault rifle, which authorities confirm Alexis did not even use. Prison Planet "
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    Sorry cant go down the Trazadone Zoloft induced mania rabbit hole either. Millions carry guns and never harms a soul or want too.

    More than that take these drugs and others and have for decades and never want to harm a soul.

    Nobody is protecting anything. The connections some try to make are random at the very best based on a few dozen people over years and years doing something insane that happened to be taking one of these drugs.


    Its about the same thing as saying because one wants to own an AR-15 that means they are more likely to go off and shoot up a school.

    Smoke Mirrors and garbage in both cases. Neither connection can even be close to being proven.

    Folks, news flash here. There are bad folks in the world, crazy or mean or greedy or some combination of those. All of this blame the gun or blame a drug or blame Barney the dinosaur all fall into the same catagory.
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