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    Seattle public libraries opt to obey the law…finally

    The long-standing, and wholly illegal, ban on guns in Seattle’s public libraries comes to an end next week, according to Seattle Times columnist Danny Westneat, who reports today that the rule change was a long time coming, more than a year after a Second Amendment Foundation legal victory defending state preemption was allowed to stand by the State Supreme Court.

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    If you carry a concealed firearm in a library, do you have to use a silencer?
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    as a legal concealed carrier, i did not acknowledge the libraries' prohibition at all. in Washington, such ad hoc 'gun free zones' do not have the force of law. they could only ask me to leave. and in this case, since THEY were breaking the law, i wonder how matters would have stood had i opted to disobey their request to leave. all moot, though, since no one has ever 'made' me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassWolf View Post
    If you carry a concealed firearm in a library, do you have to use a silencer?
    Obviously. People are trying to read, you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassWolf View Post
    If you carry a concealed firearm in a library, do you have to use a silencer?
    If you have no choice but to defend yourself from an aggressive dirtbag...using a silencer is greatly appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pittypat21 View Post
    Obviously. People are trying to read, you know.
    Do libraries actually still have books? I thought they were taken over by videos and other garbage since nobody can read anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassWolf View Post
    If you carry a concealed firearm in a library, do you have to use a silencer?

    I can only imagine the scowl from the librarian if you didn’t.
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    My library which is not in Seattle has for several years had a growing section of books with larger type face in order to make them easier to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensei2 View Post
    as a legal concealed carrier, i did not acknowledge the libraries' prohibition at all. in Washington, such ad hoc 'gun free zones' do not have the force of law. they could only ask me to leave. and in this case, since THEY were breaking the law, i wonder how matters would have stood had i opted to disobey their request to leave. all moot, though, since no one has ever 'made' me.
    a private business can ask you to leave for any reason, not sure about a public library but i would not want to fight that legal battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NONAME762 View Post
    My library which is not in Seattle has for several years had a growing section of books with larger type face in order to make them easier to read.
    Yes, easier to read for the visually impaired. I can appreciate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NONAME762 View Post
    My library which is not in Seattle has for several years had a growing section of books with larger type face in order to make them easier to read.
    Yep. One of the local libraries supplies large print books to the assisted living home where my father lived for 6 years. They bring stacks of books and rotate them every month or two. Since my father was "only" 95 he didn't needed the large print books but a lot of the other residents did. They are VERY nice for older people. As Daddy lost his hearing and couldn't listen to his big band era and opera tapes anymore, he read more and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensei2 View Post
    as a legal concealed carrier, i did not acknowledge the libraries' prohibition at all. in Washington, such ad hoc 'gun free zones' do not have the force of law. they could only ask me to leave. and in this case, since THEY were breaking the law, i wonder how matters would have stood had i opted to disobey their request to leave. all moot, though, since no one has ever 'made' me.
    In FL, refusing to leave immediately when requested while armed is called felony trespassing. If you feel you are being wrongly removed, there is an endless number of lawyers willing to help settle that issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensei2 View Post
    as a legal concealed carrier, i did not acknowledge the libraries' prohibition at all. in Washington, such ad hoc 'gun free zones' do not have the force of law. they could only ask me to leave. and in this case, since THEY were breaking the law, i wonder how matters would have stood had i opted to disobey their request to leave. all moot, though, since no one has ever 'made' me.
    MI also has state preemption. If a public library put up a "no gun" sign, I'd ignore it and just call later to notify them that their sign carries no legal weight.
    Asked to leave? Sorry, here's my city tax bill. I own a share of this building. It is not private property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    In FL, refusing to leave immediately when requested while armed is called felony trespassing. If you feel you are being wrongly removed, there is an endless number of lawyers willing to help settle that issue.

    as a legally armed, private citizen, i will try to avoid confrontation whenever possible. i would have left if asked to do so, and, as you suggest, fought another day with attorneys, if i wanted to continue matters (probably not).

    as another poster pointed out, a public library isn't a private business, so do they have the same 'right' to order you off their property if they learn that you're armed. but is a library a 'government building' like a courthouse or a city hall?

    the Seattle Times columnist, Danny Westneat, is a low-key, anti-gun person, who is bothered by the thought of legally armed people possibly sharing the library with him. poor boy. would he be similarly bothered by a 6'6" male, who might be able to beat him to death with his feet and hands? or how about a group of teenaged young men, who could do the same. or the housewife who might be carrying scissors or a knife, with which she could cut his throat? and my guess is that more innocent people are shot each year by uniformed police officers than are shot by private citizens with CPL's (just a guess). i'm surprised this frightened man ever dares to leave his house. yes, i do find his attitude ridiculous!

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