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    DOJ Argues International Treaty Trumps Constitution (Merged)

    DOJ Argues International Treaty Can Trump the Constitution - Minutemen News

    Justice Department attorneys are advancing an argument at the Supreme Court that could allow the government to invoke international treaties as a legal basis for policies such as gun control that conflict with the U.S. Constitution, according to Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

    Their argument is that a law implementing an international treaty signed by the U.S. allows the federal government to prosecute a criminal case that would normally be handled by state or local authorities.

    That is a dangerous argument, according to Cruz.

    “The Constitution created a limited federal government with only specific enumerated powers,” Cruz told the Washington Examiner prior to giving a speech on the issue today at the Heritage Foundation.

    “The Supreme Court should not interpret the treaty power in a manner that undermines this bedrock protection of individual liberty,” Cruz said
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    2A - UN Gun Control coming to your home, Now by our US Gov - US DOJ pushing it

    "Obama DOJ Claims International Treaties Trump The U.S. Constitution."

    Tip of the boonie hat to the readers who forwarded this link from Weasel Zippers which leads to this article in the Washington Examiner.

    Justice Department attorneys are advancing an argument at the Supreme Court that could allow the government to invoke international treaties as a legal basis for policies such as gun control that conflict with the U.S. Constitution, according to Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

    Their argument is that a law implementing an international treaty signed by the U.S. allows the federal government to prosecute a criminal case that would normally be handled by state or local authorities.

    My Comments: Note that they are saying an international treaty 'signed' by the U.S. (which was done by Kerry on the Current UN Small Arms Treaty, under Prez Zero), but not ratified - voted on by the US Senate (as per our Constitution)........... ********! (Mods, I will gladly take points for my previous bad language on that last sentence).

    Where are all the nay sayers that used to say that this was not an issue? Just asking and sayin.....................


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    Time is getting closer for a New Revolution. Holder Needs to go along with his boss.

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    So they forgot that actions like this destroy the soveringty of our country?Most likely the just don't care I suppose
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    Holder should have been gone.That said,if he hasn't by now he won't as long as Oblamer is in charge.
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    Everything Obama and his administration do is all about control. Obama has no respect for the constitution, we are losing more and more of our freedom everyday he continues to be in office. Unfortunately, we have to put up with another 3+ years of Obama thanks to our gullible fellow American's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CIBMike View Post
    So they forgot that actions like this destroy the soveringty of our country?Most likely the just don't care I suppose
    It's part of their plan. I used to think Agenda 21 was crazy tinfoil hat stuff. Some of the people take it there (to tinfoil hat land), but it is a real agenda, and you can read it for yourself... UN control of the world is the goal.


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    Obama can't get the gun bills passed that he wants.The Dictator will do any and everything he can to get something passed.

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    Here's how to look at it--- realistically, which is not what our OP and several other are doing.

    Here, there has been a similar fuss with groups convinced that the UN was somehow about to gain physical control over The Alamo and the
    historic Missions around San Antonio. The rumor mongering, and mountains out of thin-air, got so bad that our state's Land Commissioner
    (an extremely right of center dude who is mounting a primary challenge against our very right of center Lt Governor) had to publicly
    go forth and announce that it ain't so. Yes, indeed, the UN isn't taking over The Alamo.

    I guess with a certain segment of the population, reason and reality don't work. Believe as you wish, but please do yourself a favor and take a few deep breaths and try to come back on down to earth. The UN is no more coming for your guns than they are going to take
    over The Alamo.

    Understand that there are people who are decidedly not patriotic, who somehow make a nice living coming up with these
    stories and disseminating what are essentially untruths-- and that is the polite characterization of what they put out as news.
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    There is ZERO chance the treaty will be ratified, it needs 2/3rd vote, never going to happen.

    Everything else doesn't matter. Ted Cruz is just fear mongering again.
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    I fully expect for the POTUS to try a very unconstitutional executive order concerning the 2A in his last year of office.
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