Has anyone seen this? "Scope of 2nd Amendment's [sic] Questioned"

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    wouldn't there need to be a national vote by the registered voters to change the U.S. Constitution?

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    Nope. Two ways

    1. Constitutional Convention
    2. Outright repeal by the formal amendment process. Which requires ratification by I think 2/3 to 3/5 of the states legislatures.

    Those are the honest legal ways. Everything else is violence and repugnant to the const. and thus null and void as far as I am concerned.

    There is talk about the the Senate making a "agreement with the UN about a gun ban and that then having the force of law, but I think it is a reach, not that the enemies of freedom are against that.

    Another way I've heard is a formal treaty with the UN and that would trump the const. But I've recently see some good insight on this at AR15.com in the general discussion section.

    As for me the Constituion enumerates (not grants or even protects. protection is for YOU to do) God given rights that you get simply because you exist. So no little piece of paper or words from anyone is going to effect me.

    If they want them they are going to have to come collect them. I will not willingly turn them in. If they really want them then they are going to have to expend the effort to come get them. After all it may be their idea they should be willing to expend the effort to make it happen. I don;t or won't agree with it so I will not lift one tiny finger of effort to help.

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    They don't have to repeal it. They only need to continue the process of gradually chipping away at it. Yes, they've lost some ground in the last 10 or 15 years, but over the long haul, they continue to make progress. The more the left is able to hold conservative values up to ridicule and not get slapped by the press, the more marginalized they make [property rights, individual liberty, ownership of one's own self, the right to self-defense, personal responsibility, etc.]. They didn't take over congress only because the GOP failed in their assigned mission. Many of the people have either forgotten that mission, or never knew about it(immigrants and new, young voters). As unchecked immigration runs rampant and the stupid poor (not all the financially challenged, just the stupid ones) reproduce at a much higher rate than people with common sense, the demographics of the U.S. are shifting more and more towards a majority dependent on the government. Furthermore, no one is teaching them about freedom and personal responsibilty, not even conservatives AFAICT.

    So, over time, we get more and more sheep complaining that they have no health insurance, or no retirement, or no car, or their kids have to share a bedroom, or no cell phone, or no plasma screen, or anything else anyone could perceive to be unfair or a hardship. The sheep vote in more Dems or other socialists. (BTW, the largest group within the Democratic Party right now is the "Progressive Socialist Caucus", of which Nancy Pelosi is a member.) These politicians legislate more government dependence. More sheep vote for them. It's a downward spiral. It's the reason the revolution was fought by a small minority of Americans - and those sheep were PIONEERS! This will only be reversed when a minority of freedom-loving Americans revolts against the government.

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    They MAY, Someday...

    come for the 'guns and ammo'...

    Won't they get the ammo first? They will at my home!

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    I think there would have to be an even larger mentality shift for this sort of thing to happen nationwide. Congress can pass whatever they wish, but of all the law enforcement officers and military men and women I've encountered I don't know a single one who would be willing to enforce a blanket confiscation of firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robinsonre View Post
    I think there would have to be an even larger mentality shift for this sort of thing to happen nationwide. Congress can pass whatever they wish, but of all the law enforcement officers and military men and women I've encountered I don't know a single one who would be willing to enforce a blanket confiscation of firearms.
    Tell that to the people in New Orleans after Katrina. Sad to say, but I think there are plenty of LEO's that would be willing to confiscate firearms left and right if they think they can get away with it.

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    anybody heard anything new on this? Is it still in Appeals Court?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob The Great View Post
    anybody heard anything new on this? Is it still in Appeals Court?
    No not really. But I have heard the appeals court is excepting bribe money from corporate America so a decision can be made in someone's favor.

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