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    The report also looked into why people wanted to carry guns.

    I'll sum the article up for you. The crack made me do it.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6183969.stm

    'Having a gun feels like power'
    Guns can be bought for as little as 50, according to a report published by the Home Office this week. Eighty people serving prison sentences for gun crime were interviewed by academics at Portsmouth University.

    The report also looked into why people wanted to carry guns. Below are extracts from two of the 80 people they interviewed.


    TOMMY
    Tommy was a 31-year-old mixed race man from London. He had been excluded from school at the age of eight and sent to a school for children with behavioural problems.

    At the age of 14 he was sent to a detention centre.

    He had a long and varied criminal career and was initially part of a small crew, or gang, based on an estate in London.

    Throughout his life he had owned a variety of firearms and remembers as a teenager being fascinated with guns. He had given up his share of the proceeds from a burglary for a stolen shotgun and some cartridges.

    A shotgun remained his gun of choice as he felt it was more intimidating and less likely to be seen as a fake than a handgun.

    After serving four years for armed robbery he started to smoke crack cocaine and also heroin, which he tried at the age of 23.

    Throughout his adult life he alternated between both substances and at the time of the offence he blames his smoking of crack for inspiring an over-confidence that led him to being caught.

    He had a reputation in his part of London and always carried a gun. He enjoyed being "confident and secure, even arrogant to a certain degree", as a result of owning guns.

    He described the addictive nature of "the control, the power you have got when you have got that in your hand".


    If you are robbing drug dealers they are not exactly going to call the police

    Tommy
    Though he knew the risks, in his late 20s he had started to specialise in armed robberies of other drug dealers.

    This is how he explained his reasoning in targeting dealers: "If you are robbing drug dealers they are not exactly going to call the police. I can deal with being shot at. But I can't deal with 15 or 20 years behind the door and that".

    These risks were very real for Tommy. A close friend had been killed in revenge for a robbery and he had exchanged several shots with a group of drug dealers after raiding a "crack house".

    More recently, he had also linked up with a wayward member of an established London crime family involved in importing heroin.

    They would set up deals and then Tommy would burst in with his shotgun and rob them.

    During the offence for which he was convicted, Tommy, on crack at the time, had successfully robbed both the buyers and sellers engaged in a drug deal of their money and two kilos of heroin.

    He had been chased out of the shop and as he fled in his car, the robbed buyer took down his car number plate and passed the information onto the police.

    He was later arrested after a long chase in which he threatened the police with his shotgun.

    He was jailed for nine years and in Tommy's opinion was fortunate.

    "I was expecting a life sentence, because of the two strikes, because I had a previous firearms (conviction)".


    PAUL
    Paul was a 28-year-old white man from the West Midlands.

    He was excluded from school at 14 but eventually got a job as a cable-fitter.

    At about the age of 20 Paul said he got "mixed up with the wrong people and started to smoke drugs, crack, and that's where it went down hill".

    He said: "Crime started taking over, crime expanded to bigger and bigger things."

    He left his job and became a shoplifter, spending up to 400 a day on crack cocaine.

    Paul travelled across the country and was mixing with criminals from both Birmingham and Manchester gangs.

    He got into more and more debt to local dealers.

    One dealer fired at him in a pub over a debt of 7,000 but Paul felt he could ignore this individual and refused to pay up.

    But as his habit increased Paul incurred further debts to "very serious people" who made threats to him and his family.

    Paul said he thought: "It's either me killing them or paying them and I wasn't prepared to kill them".


    I feel sick. I don't like talking about it to be honest

    Paul

    Instead he carried out a spontaneous and disastrous robbery with an imitation firearm of a nearby post office.

    Though Paul escaped with the money and paid off his debt, he was followed by members of the public.

    He ended up kidnapping them and fled after a succession of carjackings.

    Paul was eventually caught and several real firearms were retrieved in a raid at his home, including a sub-machine pistol.

    He was charged with armed robberies, firearms, kidnapping, causing grievous bodily harm, unlawful imprisonment, carjackings and numerous minor offences.

    Paul pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 18 years in prison.

    He found the interview process painful and concluded: "I feel sick. I don't like talking about it to be honest...


    "Brings back memories you know, it wasn't the real me that's done them things, that was somebody who was basically a lunatic."
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    My reply:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/2804227.stm

    The article, "Having a gun feels like power" makes it seem as if only criminals have a desire for firearms. While that may be society's perspective for English subjects, I can assure you that most of the citizens of the USA do not fit into such a category. While having a firearm does lend a sense of power, it is power to defend yourself, a God given human right, not the power to commit crimes. Criminals are punished for their acts. Firearms are not, as they are inanimate objects.
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    Might just be me, but given who they interviewed, the report might be just a tad biased........... Do you think?
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    Pathetic. There is absolutely ZERO worthwhile to be learned from reading this article. Are we supposed to go "Ahhh" now that we've been told that criminals like to have guns because it makes committing their crimes easier, and gives them power over their victims?! Gee, I never thought of that.

    There is no mention of the converse; that good people could benefit from having the power over those who would do them harm! Duh. But what did we expect?

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    Why People?

    Better title..."Why 'Dirtbags' Like to Carry Guns"...

    REAL people carry for protection from 'dirtbags'. The article seemed pointless...

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    Exellent piece of propaganda.

    Keep hearing enough crap like that often and eventually someone will beleive it.
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    Both of those stories are obviously made up. After all, guns are illegal over there, right? These criminals couldn't have actually gotten any of them.

    Seriously, can't people see the connection between being a criminal and obtaining illegal items? Why aren't they titling articles "Taking Cocain Feel Like Power"?

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    Of course those are the ones that get the publicity. They couldn't publicize the flip side and still sound like civilized humans:

    ED

    Ed is an 80 year old great grandfather. He lives alone in his rural farmhouse. Ed had been robbed and beaten three times before he decided to get a gun to defend himself.

    "I felt helpless and figured if I was beaten again, it would probably be the death of me."

    A gun gave Ed the ability to defend himself against the likes of Tommy and Paul, which he did on one fateful night.

    Ed is still in jail and will be until he dies. The criminal he shot got out of the hospital the very next week and has been convicted of several burglaries since then, each time serving his minuscule sentence.

    Bleah...
    eschew obfuscation

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    Where did that "ED" story come from? Is that a real story, or just an example you made up? It's credible, but I was just wondering if it comes from a true event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey View Post
    Where did that "ED" story come from? Is that a real story, or just an example you made up? It's credible, but I was just wondering if it comes from a true event.
    Does "Based upon a true story" help?

    The quotes and the like were fictitious, but the basis was true -

    http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...015#post257015

    See goawayfarm's second post.
    eschew obfuscation

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