Looking for an academic response to pro-gun-control "finding"

Looking for an academic response to pro-gun-control "finding"

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    Looking for an academic response to pro-gun-control "finding"

    In February 2011 The American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine published "Risks and Benefits of a Gun in the Home" by David Hemenway. I am trying to find a well-written critique online to counter it. Does anyone know of one?

    I'm sure the conclusions are flawed, but I'm looking for something I can share with some pro-gun-control people because they consider Hemenway's article incontrovertible evidence against guns in the home.

    Thanks.
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    Why even read this jacked up, cooked, horse hockey? They have proved absoluty nothing other than the obvious: a gun must be present before anyone can be shot with one. It's about like saying 100% of home invasions happen in the home, or 100% of auto accidents involve vehicles.

    Just a lot of fast, buzz filled jargon with no specifics slighted to validate their agenda.
    A child with good debate skills could pick it apart.
    Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.

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    That was the biggest pile of donkey doo that I have read in a long time....Anything from John Lott would work to de bunk that.....
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    Don"t let stupid be your skill set....

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    Maybe someone will know something.Personally,i'm not that bored,yet.

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    Guys--you're preaching to the choir. I like to work on some not in the choir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadus View Post
    Guys--you're preaching to the choir. I like to work on some not in the choir.
    Then encourage a little critical thinking among the group. It's always more effective to put all the facts and possibilities out there and let people reach their own conclusions than try to convince them in a debate.

    The truth is on our side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Then encourage a little critical thinking among the group. It's always more effective to put all the facts and possibilities out there and let people reach their own conclusions than try to convince them in a debate.

    The truth is on our side.
    I do that, but surely there is some research that is on our side that will help them question their assumptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Why even read this jacked up, cooked, horse hockey? They have proved absoluty nothing other than the obvious: a gun must be present before anyone can be shot with one. It's about like saying 100% of home invasions happen in the home, or 100% of auto accidents involve vehicles.

    Just a lot of fast, buzz filled jargon with no specifics slighted to validate their agenda.
    A child with good debate skills could pick it apart.
    the problem is, and the one the OP is trying to combat, is that there are a ton of people out there taking this drivel as fact. and voting accordingly. i don't have the time or resources, or probably even the smarts to fight it myself, but i can see the purpose of what he's doing and the reason he wants refuting information.
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    Oh my, a full 2.25 pages of references for this article.... I'm afraid I'll have to go turn in my guns, I had no idea they were so dangerous!

    On the other hand...

    This is a little graphic that was posted by one of our mods a while back... I think it answers the question rather succinctly.

    gun control and laws.jpg

    In one page, no less.

    I'm thinking, after I turn in my guns, I might turn in my car... after all, it too might get stolen and kill neighborhood kids who steal it and go joy riding... Oh gosh... I think there's a baseball bat in my garage too.... heavens! (You know in Britain, they're now the weapon of choice, right?)
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    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    I'll just respond as I did in a previous but similar thread (Annals of Internal Medicine study)

    If somebody quotes this study say "so what?"

    Tell them many of the rights in the constitution increase the likelihood of the guilty going free so that they can kill, rape and rob again. Then ask them if the fourth, fifth, sixth and eight amendments should be revoked in response.

    Then tell them to embrace freedom or move to North Korea.

    (Chances are the people quoting these studies are using them to buttress opinions that will not change.)
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    The thing about any type of report that contains statistics or opinions is that it requires rational thinking. The words "Rational" and "Thinking" never collide in the same sentence in the progressive American culture.

    Rational Thinking says that parents are responsible for the welfare and safety of their children. "Parental Responsibility" is not on the list of phrases used by liberals today. The greatest thing that parents are responsible for today is providing the snacks after their kids recreation league sports team.
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    Owning a car increases your risks of dying in a car accident. Owning a dog increases you risks of getting bitten by a dog.
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    A Gun in the Home by someone who is well trained and disciplined, is very safe.

    A gun is just part of the solution one who seeks out training on home defense, has a good protection plan, trains his family, is very safe. Writing a study without taking any of this consideration is just pure propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavalander View Post
    the problem is, and the one the OP is trying to combat, is that there are a ton of people out there taking this drivel as fact. and voting accordingly. i don't have the time or resources, or probably even the smarts to fight it myself, but i can see the purpose of what he's doing and the reason he wants refuting information.
    If anyone is swallowing this excretion whole, without thinking about other aspects of it, then they have closed their minds and will not hear any truth. " there are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see".

    The 2A and all the writings put down on paper by the framers and founders regarding their thoughts therein are all the required reading necessary. If they can't or don't agree with that, there is no point in wasting any further time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    If anyone is swallowing this excretion whole, without thinking about other aspects of it, then they have closed their minds and will not hear any truth. " there are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see".

    The 2A and all the writings put down on paper by the framers and founders regarding their thoughts therein are all the required reading necessary. If they can't or don't agree with that, there is no point in wasting any further time.
    I like your signature, Glockman. I could use a little research to help counter the ignorance that's out there.
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