Gun Laws - based on Hollywood movies?

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    Gun Laws - based on Hollywood movies?

    If you look closely at the assault weapons ban of 1994, the NFA that restricts barrel length and regulates silencers/suppressors or states that restrict magazine capacity or types of safeties on a gun, you'd wonder if the yahoos who drafted these laws based their entire knowledge of guns on what they see in the movies or tv?

    Just because in movies gang members were portrayed running around with sawn off shotguns, all scary black rifles look like they could just spray bullets with one pull of the trigger, assassins use silencers, or a pistol grip/adjustable stock/detachable magazine somehow magically equates to a Scarface type killing device, it's why they ended up using these references in the legal language of gun laws?

    Reading through the legalese in the gun laws, one can't help but realize that none of these laws were written by people even remotely educated in the anatomy or use of a gun.

    Or they deliberately used that type of language to classify "dangerous" types of firearms that the non thinking, non gun public relate to as "dangerous" because that's what they saw in the movies. Hey if Hollywood says it's true it must be! So cater to the fears of the masses and garner votes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by DetChris View Post
    Hey if Hollywood says it's true it must be! So cater to the fears of the masses and garner votes.

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    Be careful in the analysis.

    The use of(fear) to motivate is a tried and true method for the weak of mind.

    Holly-weird has long been producing propaganda, not always anti gun. There was a time when Hollywood actually made some pretty good patriotic movies.

    Flash forward to present day where the bulk of the studios are owned and operated by socialist progressives with a *NEW* agenda and a different type of propaganda.
    ..and if one believes these studios are not directed with strong persuasion by government entities, (not all American), I submit one is naive' in that belief.

    I do agree many movies today are made with social engineering in mind; but I submit for consideration...

    Watch the Commercials


    The commercials during TV time are far worse in spreading propaganda and lulling the weak of mind (our vastly uneducated youth) into a sense of "It's all about ME and MY happiness"...diversity training...social indoctrination...".it takes a village to raise a child" etc...etc..

    As long as our education system pumps out these little liars and progenitors of socialism; we are in a world of hurt.

    As long as the people are told "what they get out of it"..we will continue to decline as a nation.

    Yes, the makers of movies in Hollywood are spewing lies; though I caution against looking at the symptoms and the ravaged end result of the disease...

    Look rather to the genesis of the mutated DNA that has caused it.
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    I doubt that movies play any part on gun regulations, but knowing the idiots that pass such laws, nothing would surprise me. The NFA (1934) was a direct result of prohibition era gang activities like the Valentine's Day Massacre (1929) where sawed off shotguns and Tommy Guns were used. Gangsters of the era also like to use suppresors.

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    Why do people need those guns with those shoulder things that go up? :)

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    Movies affect culture and culture affects movies. It seems that Hollywood is quite effective at sneaking in things here and there. I don't think that anyone can deny that as "gun violence" increases in movies, gun legislation rises. Coincidence? Maybe, but I don't think so. If anyone does not believe that Hollywood "plays politics", I suggest that they do some research on a movie called "Wag the Dog".
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldskeetshooter View Post
    Movies affect culture and culture affects movies. It seems that Hollywood is quite effective at sneaking in things here and there. I don't think that anyone can deny that as "gun violence" increases in movies, gun legislation rises. Coincidence? Maybe, but I don't think so. If anyone does not believe that Hollywood "plays politics", I suggest that they do some research on a movie called "Wag the Dog".
    I don't doubt for a second Hollywood attempts to sway public opinion. When was the last time a private citizen gun owner was portrayed in a positive light? It's as if legal, proper, responsible use of firearms simply isn't possible unless you're an agent of the state.
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    If I am not mistaken, the folks in this video are are all actors, Hollywood "Movie Stars". These people are very influential to a lot of folks, especially the younger generation. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't remember any Pro 2A Movie Stars being invited to the White House recently.

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    The '34 NFA that banned "gangster guns" used pop culture hype (movies, books, yellow journalism, etc) rather than reality to sway votes. Thompsons had been used but not nearly as often as portrayed in fiction.

    However, it is no coincidence that the '34 law passed and gave a new mission to the alcohol agents just as prohibition was going away. Hollywood was merely the advertising agent for the bill.

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    DetChris,

    I definitely agree that there is some influence from TV/movies on the current (and probably past) gun laws; it just makes sense to me.

    When you think about all the legislators who have never fired a gun (probably never even held a real gun), and then they see a movie/TV show where someone who's shot goes flying backwards the length of a room, they are certainly going to be influenced by that. They are not going to be "looking for" the inaccuracies of gun physics/ballistics/gun handling that the members of this forum would be, because all they know about guns comes from movies/TV.

    Of course, it's the same thing with computer hackers in the movies who break into highly secured systems in two minutes or less...totally bogus in terms of reality, but makes for good drama. The difference is that the legislators don't usually make laws about computer security based on their perceptions of those movies.

    I'm sure that other people in other technical fields who see their specific field used as part of a movie plot could tell you the same thing...about how the portrayal of their field is totally inaccurate.
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    I would add the obvious example that the "Glock 7" and the subsequent "Undetectable Firearms Ban" came directly from Hollywood's imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJVP View Post
    I doubt that movies play any part on gun regulations, but knowing the idiots that pass such laws, nothing would surprise me. The NFA (1934) was a direct result of prohibition era gang activities like the Valentine's Day Massacre (1929) where sawed off shotguns and Tommy Guns were used. Gangsters of the era also like to use suppresors.
    Good history on the NFA. Thanks for sharing. I wonder if the NFA actually helped anything after it's implementation? My wife, in her earlier days in the 90's encountered what was almost a gang-related crime in Detroit. She's swore two of the punks had sawn off shotguns and I doubt they had the credentials to get the necessary tax stamps.


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    If you really think about it Hollywood and the "movies" define reality for a good portion of our population.

    It is just an indication of how many people (including our elected officials) interpret entertainment and it's fanciful exaggerations as reality.

    I call it intellectual laziness.
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    Not 100% accuract but covers a lot

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    And yeah I will say esp in CA a lot of gun laws were based on a overblown threat and not undersatnding what is going on with guns .. Ie they went though a book and banned what looked scary..

    For example the Mas 223 a civialan Famas is banned by Name in CA despit the fact that less the 1k were imported .. Or if you have a Tec-9 they are banned by name but not the KG-9 which imop is a better gun and open bolt ...
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