New Job at Armed Security, and this is what my trainer had to say about the 2A

New Job at Armed Security, and this is what my trainer had to say about the 2A

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    New Job at Armed Security, and this is what my trainer had to say about the 2A

    "What the American people don't understand is that the 2nd Amendment only applies to Americans serving in the militia. It was designed so the Americans could raise a future militia and fight the British".
    Now before the hate and discontent flows forth, my trainer is a 16 year retired GySgt. 0331 Machinegunner who was a 1983 Beirut Lebanon survivor. I am former USMC as well so I have to say I like the guy on a personal level. Here is my other issue.
    Another new armed guard in the training class is an Army vet and he and my trainer both supported UBC's and obtaining a license prior to purchasing any firearm. I am still trying to wrap my head around this.

    It greatly disturbs and bothers me that two vets who have all been deployed at one point support the idea of further allowing private gun ownership in America and are willing to compromise on that right. For some reason this bothers me. Maybe I am becoming a nut. I also run into LEO's sometimes who have this same attitude when I talk to them. I bring up getting a CCW and have had several deputies/officers laugh and say, "Why would you possibly need to carry a gun?". When I ask them why they need to carry one these particular individuals have replied, "Well that's different." I am starting to see a trend that SOME (not all) veterans and LEO's think that only they should have the right and legitimate need to personally own/bear a firearm. As a young vet (I'm 22) I feel as if even my own kind are progressively seeing less of a reason to personally own a firearm. Am I crazy?
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    They're full of you know what....... Two real nuts. I posted their picture above this sentence.
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    OK, you have an idiot for a trainer. God help you. He'll probably tell you to carry a double 12, so you can fire a warning shot into the air.

    Be your own dog. If they can teach you how to shoot, OK. But they don't get to tell you what to think or how to live. Remember that.

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    Actually what we are carrying are .38 DA revolvers. We are prohibited from providing our firearm.
    Quote Originally Posted by multistage View Post
    OK, you have an idiot for a trainer. God help you. He'll probably tell you to carry a double 12, so you can fire a warning shot into the air.

    Be your own dog. If they can teach you how to shoot, OK. But they don't get to tell you what to think or how to live. Remember that.
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    You know what they say, opinions are like...well, you know what they say.
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    Linny, There are liberals in all walks of life, including the military. Just because someone is a vet does not mean he/she is not anti gun, anti Constitution (even though they swore an oath to uphold it), anti liberty.
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    Everybody has an opinion. A DD-214 does not make a historian or an expert on the Constitution.
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    No Linny. Damn it does my old heart good to see a 22 year old such as yourself coming up with questions like this.

    WTH are you from son? Not knowing you from Adam I'd say you're worth getting to know.
    I'm just a spoke in the wheel but not a big deal.
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    No, you're not crazy. What you're experiencing is the basic fact that the military and police forces are made up of individual humans, and like all other humans, they are prone to believing what works for them. I know you'd expect them to have a greater understanding, given the oath (at least military) that they take, but unfortunately that oath doesn't come with any automatic understanding of, or appreciation for, the document that they are swearing the oath to.

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    They're flat out wrong - SCOTUS has made that much clear in easy to understand language - I feel for you
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    Well, your instructors have a twisted way of seeing things. Im sure they are set in their ways, so no amount of reason will sway their ideas. Moving along, nothing wrong with a wheel gun. They're simple and elegant, and they go bang every time you pull the trigger. The .38 is a decent round for 99% of the situations anyone might encounter. I hope it is a quality firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NONAME762 View Post
    No Linny. Damn it does my old heart good to see a 22 year old such as yourself coming up with questions like this.

    WTH are you from son? Not knowing you from Adam I'd say you're worth getting to know.
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    You're not crazy. Idiots abound. You just keep thinking for yourself.

    Oh yeah, don't forget to buy more guns and ammo than you can possibly afford. Certainly before you get married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linny View Post
    "What the American people don't understand is that the 2nd Amendment only applies to Americans serving in the militia. It was designed so the Americans could raise a future militia and fight the British".
    Now before the hate and discontent flows forth, my trainer is a 16 year retired GySgt. 0331 Machinegunner who was a 1983 Beirut Lebanon survivor. I am former USMC as well so I have to say I like the guy on a personal level. Here is my other issue.
    Another new armed guard in the training class is an Army vet and he and my trainer both supported UBC's and obtaining a license prior to purchasing any firearm. I am still trying to wrap my head around this.

    It greatly disturbs and bothers me that two vets who have all been deployed at one point support the idea of further allowing private gun ownership in America and are willing to compromise on that right. For some reason this bothers me. Maybe I am becoming a nut. I also run into LEO's sometimes who have this same attitude when I talk to them. I bring up getting a CCW and have had several deputies/officers laugh and say, "Why would you possibly need to carry a gun?". When I ask them why they need to carry one these particular individuals have replied, "Well that's different." I am starting to see a trend that SOME (not all) veterans and LEO's think that only they should have the right and legitimate need to personally own/bear a firearm. As a young vet (I'm 22) I feel as if even my own kind are progressively seeing less of a reason to personally own a firearm. Am I crazy?
    -Linny
    Too much TV watching. Think about this, George McGovern and John Kerry are vets.. do you trust them?
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    I personally know several LEO's around Florida.....and they all say the same thing: "You'd be crazy to NOT carry a gun today". Most LEO's are normal, hard working citizens with a love of God, Country and Constitution......and some are elitist jerks. You my friend, have found the latter. The Second Amendment had nothing to do with arming militia to fight the British again.....just tell your trainers to read the Federalist Papers to find out what the Second Amendment means and exactly what the Founders intended:

    To Keep the Government Honest and to prevent it from becoming too powerful and and unresponsive to its constituents.....which is exactly why our current administration wants us disarmed. Just look at the playbook of all the Tyrants in history. Step One: Disarm the peasants. Step Two: Repeat Step One over and over until the peasants submit. Step Three: Get rid of all your enemies by whatever means necessary since they are now defenseless this will be a cake walk.

    Step Four: Victory.
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