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    City may ban guns on its property

    If this passes as written I would hope to see a lawsuit.

    http://www.hutchnews.com/news/local/...an123006.shtml

    City may ban guns on its property

    By the News Staff
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    The city of Hutchinson could add to the state's list of 22 types of locations where it will be illegal for someone to carry a concealed weapon.

    At its 9 a.m. Tuesday session, the Hutchinson City Council will consider a drafted ordinance that mirrors the new state concealed-carry law, but adds one place where weapons would be off limits: "Any public property of the City of Hutchinson."

    Public property includes city parks, but also streets and alleys.

    That, for example, would make it illegal for a person with a concealed-carry permit to carry the weapon out to his vehicle parked in the street.

    "That may be just a tad too broad," said City Attorney Carolyn Patterson on Friday.

    Patterson said such a sweeping ban was not her intention, and city officials recognized that the language presented a problem after the draft was released.

    She anticipated council members would discuss and alter the language Tuesday.

    The Kansas Legislature voted this year to remove the ban on concealed carry, and those people with permits will be able to carry hidden weapons effective Jan. 1.

    Concealed-carry offenses "may be prosecuted in municipal court only if a city has adopted a corresponding local ordinance," Patterson wrote in a memo to the city manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sisco View Post
    "That may be just a tad too broad," said City Attorney Carolyn Patterson on Friday.
    A tad? That would end concealed carry altogether, unless a person has their own private docking tube to connect his vehicle to the store he wants to go to.

    It's amazing how far gun legislation gets before someone actually takes a look at the wording and its effects.

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    Michigan has a law that prohibits local municipalities from doing just such stuff. Detroit tried that after our CCW shall issue law passed about 6-7 years ago, they got shot down (pardon the pun) in court.
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    Hmmm yes, pre-emption laws needed to stop that idiocy.

    Philly here in PA is itching to make the whole place CCW free but thus far as I understand it the state pre-emption law has saved the day.

    Apart from crazy wording I wonder also if they stop to consider if for one minute - such an ordinance will prevent criminal carry - because it won't. It'll just deprive Joe Blow from his legal carry and means of protection.
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    The CCW law does have a preemption clause but apparently it could be bypassed using the property owner option. A flaw in the law so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisco View Post
    Public property includes city parks, but also streets and alleys.

    That, for example, would make it illegal for a person with a concealed-carry permit to carry the weapon out to his vehicle parked in the street.

    "That may be just a tad too broad," said City Attorney Carolyn Patterson on Friday.

    Patterson said such a sweeping ban was not her intention, and city officials recognized that the language presented a problem after the draft was released.
    In other words, she's an incompetent, malfeasant buffoon.

    And oh, uh, might we dare to ask how they feel this kind of law is going to benefit the public, i.e. make anyone safer? Is there currently a torrent of CHL holders who are committing gun-related crime on city property? What's the mandate for this OBVIOUSLY ill-conceived legal atrocity? Huh, Ms. Patterson?

    She anticipated council members would discuss and alter the language Tuesday.
    Yeah, to fix what she was too incompetent to get right on her own.


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    Quote Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey View Post
    Is there currently a torrent of CHL holders who are committing gun-related crime on city property?
    Not likely considering there are no CHL holders in the state and won't be until Wednesday.

    It never ceases to amaze me how many Kansans fail to realize we are the 48th state to allow CC. If there was really such a problem with it, don't you think we would have seen it by now?
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    It's Hutchinson Freakin' Kansas ... NOBODY wants to go to Hutchinson except for when the state fair is running (which is off limits to CCW by state law anyway).

    I just don't see how Hutchinson (which has always seemed to struggle financially) is going to attract business and money with this kind of idiocy.

    It never ceases to amaze me how many Kansans fail to realize we are the 48th state to allow CC.
    We're talking about Kansas (still can't figure out why it took me 33 years to escape that ridiculous state). I've often said that left to its own devices as its own sovereign country, Kansas would turn into a Socialist Theocratic Police State within a week. The typical Kansas mindset is that individual liberty is bad because it might lead to real bad things like free market capitalism and dancing.
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    umm....don't mean to state the obvious--but doesn't "city property" actually belong to the taxpayers?...can you trespass on city property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    umm....don't mean to state the obvious--but doesn't "city property" actually belong to the taxpayers?...can you trespass on city property?
    It wouldn't be trespassing. Carrying where prohibited is it's own special crime here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    We're talking about Kansas (still can't figure out why it took me 33 years to escape that ridiculous state). I've often said that left to its own devices as its own sovereign country, Kansas would turn into a Socialist Theocratic Police State within a week. The typical Kansas mindset is that individual liberty is bad because it might lead to real bad things like free market capitalism and dancing.
    Hahahhaa, thanks for convincing me to never visit there. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sisco View Post
    Public property includes city parks, but also streets and alleys.
    That is real scary! In some areas that also includes sidewalks in residential areas and the grass strip between the sidewalk and the street. In my case, technically I couldn't legally check my own mail while carrying!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SammyIamToday View Post
    Hahahhaa, thanks for convincing me to never visit there. :)
    +1. I've already committed to the notion that I will not go to any state (except in an emergency) that does not recognize my permit.

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