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    Kansas ... passes some new protections (Hb2578).. awaiting Gov signature.

    In Kansas, there were some cities... who either wanted to ignore the State laws, go around them or find loopholes if they could, dig out ordinances that the bills didn't exclude, etc. So, this bill "fixed" all of that, hopefully ... once and for-all. It pre-empts ALL and any city or county ordinances on firearms, transportation, sales, methods of transportation, ammunition, and anything else "gun related" (magazines, silencers, and on down the line), knives, etc. and makes them "moot". This includes they cannot regulate the "manner" anyone carries a gun. Many knives are no longer considered or defined as "dangerous weapons" in Kansas, but some cities had ordinances to the contrary and still tried to make them illegal, etc. Basically.... cities and counties would have NO ability to regulate "anything" related to firearms and ammunition, gun powder, etc.

    Votes in the Senate for this bill : 37 - 2
    Votes in the House for this bill : 102 - 19

    It NOW needs signature by the Governor ...... who is pro-2nd Amendment.

    It also has in it :
    1) NFA signatures ; have to be "signed" within 15 days if there is no reason the person cannot legally own them. NO personal Sheriff biases, city biases, nor agendas should be holding these up.
    2) No funds can be used for "gun buy-back programs, and any guns in good working condition cannot be destroyed, they have to be disposed of by selling them to FFL's for resale, or ... given to Youth shooting programs.
    3) If someone is charged with a crime involving a gun and found "innocent" , their firearm must be returned to them within 30 days by any law enforcement agency.
    4) Open Carry , is legal across the State (although it was already, cities tried to find ways & loopholes.. this ends that), including in Public Buildings.
    5) CC gunbuster signs, will now apply to those who open carry as well ..... but it is already not a crime / penalty to carry past a posted sign , even in public buildings, and they can only ask you to leave .. and if you don't , then have you charged with trespassing. Unless any place , including public, has "security measures in place" (metal detectors, armed guards, etc) then they can only post a sign at most... and it really has no effect (concealed is concealed).
    6) Bill protects Public Employees, as they don't have to disclose to their employer whether they have a CC license, and no record of employees that have CC licenses by cities/counties/ etc. can be made or maintained. Because law now allows even public employees to carry in public buildings and on the job, cities / counties wanted to make them all prove they had a license, make records of them, etc.... even if they did NOT plan to carry at work. They can by personnel policies forbid them from carrying on the job, but it's NOT illegal to do so. Many 'do' allow their public employees now to carry at work.

    The only problem they had ... was making it legal statewide to carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle (CC license holders can with no issue, but this was about those who have no license). In the House, that caused a lot of delay as certain "liberal" city police chiefs came out against it.... giving some really really lame rationales for it. One was .... "it would make it harder for them to prevent gang-bangers from having loaded guns in their cars" . I don't think the "laws" are going to have any effect on gang-bangers ignoring the laws and carrying loaded guns in their cars. See ... Kansas City... as the major pain in getting this included.

    Ironic, our State Capital.... carrying a loaded handgun in your vehicle is legal, but Kansas City ..... is even avidly against open carry, let alone about anything else. However, if this is signed into law, they will now have no choice but to recognize it. This will be the "only" thing cities / counties can regulate related to guns if this bill is passed into law.

    Anyway... so, they dropped this element (for now) and was able to get the rest all passed. It will definitely be brought back up.

    Victory for Gun-Rights Proponents as Open-Carry Bill ? Possible Nationwide Model ? Approved by State?s Lawmakers | TheBlaze.com
    Victory for Gun-Rights Proponents as Open-Carry Bill — Possible Nationwide Model — Approved by State’s Lawmakers

    Kansas legislators gave final approval Saturday to a bill that would nullify city and county gun restrictions, ensuring that it’s legal across the state to openly carry firearms, the Associated Press reported.

    The measure — which the National Rifle Association sees as a nationwide model for stripping local officials of their gun-regulating power — was approved by the state House, 102-19, a day after the Senate passed it, 37-2.


    Bill barring local government from passing gun laws on its way to Brownback | Wichita Eagle
    Bill barring local government from passing gun laws on its way to Brownback

    TOPEKA — A bill that nullifies local government control over guns shot through the House and to the governor’s desk in the waning hours of the regular session Saturday.

    House Bill 2578 would prohibit cities and counties from passing or enforcing any ordinance regulating the “purchase, transfer, ownership, storage, carrying, or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or any related component.”

    It would also ban local units of government from inquiring whether an employee has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

    If the governor sign the bill into law, counties and cities could bar municipal employees from carrying weapons in work vehicles and from openly carrying a gun on the job, said Rep. Jim Howell, R-Derby, who sponsored the legislation in the House.

    The bill leaves in place a current law allowing employees with concealed-carry permits to bring their guns to work for self-protection, unless they work in a building secured with metal detectors and guards, or a location covered by a temporary exemption to the concealed-carry statute passed last year.

    Howell said it is necessary to end patchwork regulation that can be confusing for gun owners who carry their weapons from town to town.

    The bill also:

    Read more here: Bill barring local government from passing gun laws on its way to Brownback | Wichita Eagle
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    Seems like good laws for the citizens of the state.
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    FL has had preemption for several years, which some municipalities tried to do likewise. In 2012 the state added "teeth" to that preemption, including fines, and lawsuits by the citizens for any such "null & void" local laws. It was amazing how fast those ordinances disappeared!

    Good luck to KS and I hope the Gov signs quickly.
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    Hope it goes through!
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    Hopefully Brownback will sign it. If not, it appears they legislatures have enough votes for an over-ride.
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    Sounds to me like the Great State of Kansas has a fantastic governor and legislature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashamans View Post
    Kansas, the gunflower state!
    You have that right !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    FL has had preemption for several years, which some municipalities tried to do likewise. In 2012 the state added "teeth" to that preemption, including fines, and lawsuits by the citizens for any such "null & void" local laws. It was amazing how fast those ordinances disappeared!

    Good luck to KS and I hope the Gov signs quickly.


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