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    Virginia - Watch Out: It's Already Started!!

    More Restrictions Urged On Gun-Show Purchases
    Transportation Deal Also Seems Imminent

    By Amy Gardner
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, January 16, 2007; Page B08

    RICHMOND, Jan. 15 -- Proponents of tougher state laws governing the sale of firearms, most of them from Northern Virginia, urged the General Assembly on Monday to require criminal background checks of all buyers at gun shows.

    The measure would close the so-called gun-show loophole, which allows unlicensed dealers to sell firearms at shows in Virginia without conducting the criminal checks required of licensed dealers. Its purpose, supporters said, is to prevent criminals who are prohibited from possessing guns from obtaining them by shopping anonymously at gun shows.


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    "This is not a bill about taking away anyone's Second Amendment rights," said Sen. Jeannemarie Devolites Davis (R-Fairfax). "What this is about is making sure that upstanding citizens possess firearms and that those who are criminals do not."

    Meanwhile, sources said late Monday that Republican lawmakers in the Senate and House of Delegates appeared to have reached an agreement on a wide-ranging transportation deal and could unveil it as early as Tuesday morning.

    The GOP leaders have been meeting for weeks in hopes of ending a year-long stalemate over new money for roads and transit. Participants in the negotiations and people familiar with the agreement said it would raise hundreds of millions of dollars for Northern Virginia and Hampton Roads and more statewide.

    In addition, the agreement would grant localities new powers to control growth and sprawl and impose changes at the Virginia Department of Transportation aimed at making the bureaucracy more efficient.

    On gun regulations, opinions fall largely along regional lines, with Northern Virginians far readier to regulate gun possession than are those from other parts of the state, most notably rural Virginia.

    Members of the Northern Virginia chapter of the Million Mom March lined up alongside dozens of schoolchildren to support the gun-show bill at a news conference Monday, citing rising violent crime and public opinion polls showing that a majority of the public supports stricter regulations.

    "We need to close this dangerous loophole," said Kailey Leinz, 11, a sixth-grader at Keene Mill Elementary School in Springfield, "so kids like me won't feel scared -- scared that somebody could just come into our school and start shooting."

    Yet the gathering was filled with nearly as many opponents of the bill -- people with "Guns Save Lives" stickers on their shirts who challenged supporters to offer a single statistic linking unlicensed gun-show sales with violent crime.

    Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said that requiring unlicensed sellers to conduct criminal checks constitutes an undue burden on private transactions, not only requiring a $5 fee to conduct the check but also requiring the seller to keep the sales record for 20 years.

    Keeping such records also is tantamount to maintaining a gun registry, something that Van Cleave's organization and other gun-rights advocates say is a flagrant violation of the Second Amendment.

    "The government doesn't know what gun you have in Virginia," Van Cleave said. "Nor should they."

    Although the gun-show bill has failed at least five times in previous years, this is the first time Devolites Davis, a Republican, has been its primary patron.

    But she is not likely to get far in Richmond. With Republicans in control of both the House of Delegates and the Senate, lawmakers have been more prone in recent years to lift gun restrictions than to add them. This year, for instance, lawmakers have proposed allowing judges, retired police officers and mail carriers to carry concealed weapons without a permit, and they have proposed repealing a requirement that permit holders be fingerprinted.

    Staff writer Michael D. Shear contributed to this report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randytulsa2 View Post
    "We need to close this dangerous loophole," said Kailey Leinz, 11, a sixth-grader at Keene Mill Elementary School in Springfield, "so kids like me won't feel scared -- scared that somebody could just come into our school and start shooting."
    But don't you understand? It's for the children!!!!!!
    And of course, Kailey is not afraid that anyone of Islamic faith would take hostages in her school. Nor that socially peripheral students will do so, not being properly socialized because the school board doesn't want to spend the money on proven programs. Nor that a drug deal could end in a shooting, and that there is still a drug problem because a teacher is dealing/sleeping with one of the K-9 cops......of course not. Kailey has been educated. Kailey knows that only Policemen should be armed. Kailey knows that whatever the teachers tell her is best for her.

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    Got this update from the VCDL a couple days ago on this particular piece of legislation:

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    LEGISLATIVE UPDATE
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    We have a bunch of bills coming up in the Militia, Police and Public
    Safety subcommittee #1 tomorrow (Thursday).

    It looks like Senator Devolites Davis can't get enough votes to get
    her gun show bill passed out of committee, so she postponed a vote on
    her bill yet again today. ;-)

    But that's OK. While she is taking extra days trying to convince
    some of the Senators on the committee to support her, she is giving
    US that same extra time to convince them to oppose her!

    We believe that the press conference that she held on Monday was
    supposed to be a 'victory' press conference, but she couldn't get the
    votes she needed that morning and she let the bill slide that day.
    So instead she was stuck using the conference to try and rally the
    anti-gun troops.

    Didn't work very well, though. ;-)

    Hey - SHE'S the one who wanted to make gun control one of the
    centerpieces of her reelection bid!
    Also here's a link to our local paper's article about it. A few folks felt led to post some comments (all pro-gun) at the bottom of the page

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    UMMMMMM RIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT

    NORTHERN VA IS SOOOOOOO Dangerous

    I think we had a total of 10 people in a county of about a 2 million people that were murdered last year.


    If somebody gets mugged its headlines in the nightly news (dosn't happen very often in NOVA)

    If somebody in DC gets mugged "Who cares" infact I don't think they even report a shooting unless its a fatatlity anymore in DC.

    DC vs. Fairfax VA (aka NOVA).

    Fairfax: We have good Gun laws
    DC: Why do we need laws when there are no guns in DC?
    Fairfax: Most of us work in DC
    DC: Most of us work in DC
    Fairfax: No wait Period on anything just a NICS check
    DC: There are still no guns in DC but the cheap guns that get in to DC come from Fairfax!!!! But there are still no guns in DC!!!!
    Fairfax: Most of the people in Fairfax don't sell cheap guns because there is no market for it.
    Fairfax: Has a extremely LOW murder rate from guns. A co-worker has a family member who works with Fairfax PD. When Fairfax was at 8 murders DC was approaching the 200.
    DC: We Have no guns!!!

    My conclusion.
    1 of the 3 following have to be true.

    1) DC your guns laws are screwed up. Issue Carry permits for 2 years and see what happens to your crime rate if this dosn't work just take them back after two years, your already into the confiscation thing so it shouldn't be that hard for you to due this.
    2) The people living in DC are inherently EVIL, thus good people stop paying for protection, services, and things that will NOT be provided for you, move across the border into Fairfax.
    3) If a politician makes this statement its political suicide.
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    Whenever they start anything with the phrase "This is not a piece of legislation that is going to take away any rights of law abiding citizens", you know for sure that
    1. They are lying thru their teeth,
    2. It IS a bill to try to take away every 2A freedom that has been fought for.
    "It is for the children". yeah, right. What the law calls children are the ones doing most of the law breaking and shootings.
    Maybe the first bill wont take away very much, but after the first one, there is a second, and a third, and a for------ you know what they always do, no need for me to get my blood boiling right now.
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    UPDATE ****** This bill was killed in committe yesterday 9 to 4
    Last edited by p8riot; January 25th, 2007 at 12:37 PM.
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    Well, HALLELUJAH.

    Way to go, Va. House or Senate committee!

    We've got to keep on top of this stuff, though.
    "...bad decisions that turn out well often make heroes."


    Gary D. Mitchell, A Sniper's Journey: The Truth About the Man and the Rifle, P. 103, NAL Caliber books, 2006, 1st Ed.

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    It was The Senate Courts of Justice Committee
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