Editorial from a misguided teen

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    Editorial from a misguided teen

    http://news.postbulletin.com/newsman...?a=281944&z=25

    Outlawing handguns is the best (self)-defense
    Tue, Jan 23, 2007


    In 1999, 337 homicides committed with firearms occurred in Detroit. In that same time frame, in Windsor, Ontario, a city located a half-mile from the American metropolis, only one person suffered died from a gunshot wound. While Windsor's population accounts for merely one-fifth of that of Detroit, the difference remains staggering. Why the astounding discrepancy?

    The second amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees that, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The noble effort to ensure the sanctity of inherent rights included this item given the need for defending one's self, and now extends to recreational pursuits such as hunting. However, as Oliver Wendell Holmes wisely commented, "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." Social contract requires the relinquishing of certain freedoms in exchange for a safer society. Gun-control, a concept proven to increase the level of security, involves the surrendering of certain firearms, and presents the opportunity to live in a less dangerous environment.

    America's closest sovereign ally chose protection over freedom. The United Kingdom's gun-control policies, considered to be among the strictest of any country, necessitate a rigid registration of allotted weapons, and ban handguns. In order to obtain an approved firearm, an individual must supply the police with a valid reason for acquiring the item; "self-defense" does not qualify as satisfactory explanation for gun ownership. Additionally, a character examination, inspection of the premise in which the firearm will be contained and a personal interview must be completed. Persons that have served prison sentences of three years or more may not apply for a firearm certificate. The violation of these guidelines warrants a minimum of five years in prison and an unlimited fine.

    Gun-control policies in the United Kingdom became exceptionally stringent only recently. In both 1988 and 1997, shocking "massacres," in which legal gun-owners slaughtered defenseless civilians, prompted the passage of Firearm Amendment Acts one and two.

    The regulations appear effective. In the United Kingdom, all but a few select branches of the police force do not carry guns. Contrastingly, in the United States, all members of the squad usually bear firearms, and the government requires many to possess a handgun even when off-duty. Shockingly, the United Kingdom experienced 62 murders with firearms from 1998 to 2000, while the United States suffered 8,259 gun-related fatalities.

    In recent polls, only half of Americans favored stricter gun-control guidelines. The opposition, led by the unifying voice of the NRA, presents a hefty obstacle. In all probability, more moderate restrictions may be in order.

    The primary objective should be the outlawing of handguns. While hunters use firearms for recreation, handguns are not the weapon of choice for such pursuits. Instead, humans seem to provide excellent targets for handgun-wielders. According to the FBI Crime Report for 2001, 78 percent of all firearm homicides were committed with handguns.

    The right to bear arms, an important freedom, should not conflict with the right to life. When these two intentions conflict, perhaps the premier form of self-defense is not the purchasing of weapons, but the relinquishing of guns.

    Julia Kallmes is a senior at Mayo High School. To respond to an opinion column, send an e-mail to teenbeat@postbulletin.com.
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    <The right to bear arms, an important freedom, should not conflict with the right to life. When these two intentions conflict, perhaps the premier form of self-defense is not the purchasing of weapons, but the relinquishing of guns. >

    Hint, junior...my life comes first when confronted by a BG...aaaarrghhh...can't type anymore when dealing with altruistic teens. When you grow up, come talk to me.

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    I just sent her an Email refuting her liberal BS.

    I was polite, tactful and all the good stuff that I feel we need to be to get our point across. It's really sad that this drivel comes from our next generation.

    I foresee an America without guns and it scares me.

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    Sadly the teen nievity extends to full grown and even old adults.

    They just do not seem to think outside of the (sheep) box and consider the logic, which if explored with an open mind makes sense to so many.

    Gut emotion is however so much easier
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    I sent her a note too. I just told her that, by her own logic, we should also ban teenage drivers. I cited the following:

    Teen driving statistics from http://www.TeenDrivingInfo.com/ :
    • Annually, 7,887 (14% of all drivers) 15-20 year-old drivers were involved in fatal crashes.1 - about 22 fatalities each day. Each year 2,008 16-17 year-olds die in automobile crashes.2 In addition, crash rates are the highest for teens during the 1st six months & 1,000 miles after licensure.3
    1 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Traffic Safety Facts 2003: Young Drivers. (2004).
    2 National Center for Injury Prevention & Control. (2003).
    3 McCartt, Shabanova, & Leaf. Driving experience, crashes & traffic citations of teenage beginning drivers (2003).
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    According to the FBI Crime Report for 2001, 78 percent of all firearm homicides were committed with handguns.
    that includes suicides... people who would've killed themselves with some other tool...

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    I know this is choir preaching, but here's a good example of the twisting of statistics (otherwise known as LIES) used by these types:
    Shockingly, the United Kingdom experienced 62 murders with firearms from 1998 to 2000, while the United States suffered 8,259 gun-related fatalities.
    Here, they engage in a classic logical fault - they compare firearms MURDERS in the UK with ALL FIREARMS RELATED fatalities in the US. That is, murders, suicides, accidents, et cetera... Standard smoke and mirrors BS crap from the "can't we all just get along" crowd.
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    The Lott-Mustard Report

    John Lott and David Mustard, in connection with the University of Chicago Law School, examining crime statistics from 1977 to 1992 for all U.S. counties, concluded that the thirty-one states allowing their residents to carry concealed, had significant reductions in violent crime. Lott writes, "Our most conservative estimates show that by adopting shall-issue laws, states reduced murders by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%. If those states that did not permit concealed handguns in 1992 had permitted them back then, citizens might have been spared approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and 12,000 robberies. To put it even more simply criminals, we found, respond rationally to deterrence threats... While support for strict gun-control laws usually has been strongest in large cities, where crime rates are highest, that's precisely where right-to-carry laws have produced the largest drops in violent crimes."

    (Source: "More Guns, Less Violent Crime", Professor John R. Lott, Jr., The Wall Street Journal, August 28, 1996, (The Rule of Law column).

    Whether or not one believes a portion of the drop in violent crime is due to "shall-issue" legislation, Lott's study provides strong evidence that allowing
    nuff sed

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilmutt View Post
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    Outlawing handguns is the best (self)-defense
    Tue, Jan 23, 2007


    In 1999, 337 homicides committed with firearms occurred in Detroit. .
    Let's just hope those 337 did not breed and screw up the gene pool even more !!!
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    Social contract requires the relinquishing of certain freedoms in exchange for a safer society.
    She misspelled "Socialist control"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julia Kallmes
    [In the U.K. ] ... "self-defense" does not qualify as satisfactory explanation for gun ownership.
    The gun-toting criminals in my area don't live in the U.K. They're right here. They're vicious, callous and devoid of the concept of "right to life."

    About those character "tests" to qualify for ownership, in the U.K.? Right, it does come down to character. The attackers in our midst need a character adjustment, and that right quick. But frankly, when having the choice between a politician's business card (dial-a-prayer) and an actual ability to defend against attack by criminals on the instant of an attack ... I'd far rather be able to actually defend myself. The promises of my politicians don't amount to that much.

    "Social contract"? Something that a criminal would honor? The same criminal that would take my life for a pack of smokes? That guy? The other 10,000 like him? Or, would that be referring to the 50,000 folks on drugs within spittin' distance of my home? That contract was broken a long time ago ... and not by me.

    High school junior, eh? My, what a lot to learn in such a short time. The poor little lamb needs a bit of field time, hunting (being hunted by) some big game. She'd realize how a wild hog, bear or mountain lion doesn't really care that someone has a whole stack o' business cards in the wallet. Though, a stack of quality toothpicks would help clean up after the meal, what with the stringy nature of a high school junior and all. What's needed on the instant of an attack is a viable ability to defend.
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    Social contract requires the relinquishing of certain freedoms in exchange for a safer society.
    Some one tell her she deserves neither freedom nor security (Ben Franklin). So many misquotes today and lack of history leads to these editorials. Also what dose
    However, as Oliver Wendell Holmes wisely commented, "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins."
    have to do to the right to self defence. Giving up the right to defend your self for the sake of a safer society is an oxymoron. You give up your right to defend your self you become a victim.
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    She will fit right in at most colleges. Sure the UK has a low number of firearms death's, but stabbings and other forms of murder are way up. That 78 percent of homicides with firearms does also include justifyable homicides.

    And besides, since when is defending myself not a good enough reason to have a firearm? That arguement basically says that a criminal has more right to live than I do.

    Reading that paper reminds me of the sociology class I just walked out of and trying to pound some logic into the brains of those misguided peers of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devilmutt View Post

    Social contract requires the relinquishing of certain freedoms in exchange for a safer society. Gun-control, a concept proven to increase the level of security, involves the surrendering of certain firearms, and presents the opportunity to live in a less dangerous environment.
    Julia may need to study history a little bit more. I'd suggest that she start with the holocaust.
    "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

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    To me she sounds as if she is just Parroting the lies of her Anti gun elders. No personal research. I would have given her an 'F' for not doing full research.

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