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    Deliveryman who shot 2 is charged - merge

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    Deliveryman who shot 2 is charged
    Prosecutors say shootings justified, but gun concealed
    By DERRICK NUNNALLY
    dnunnally@journalsentinel.com
    Posted: Jan. 31, 2007
    A pizza deliveryman who has shot two people on the job in the past seven months was hit with his first criminal charge Wednesday: carrying a concealed weapon.

    Buy a link hereAndres Vegas, 46, who told authorities that the teenagers he shot last month and in July were trying to rob him, appeared in court and was released on a $1,500 signature bond Wednesday. He faces up to nine months in jail and a $10,000 fine if convicted of the misdemeanor. His next court appearance is scheduled for Feb. 19.

    According to the criminal complaint, Vegas, of Cudahy, was making a delivery in the 2800 block of N. 22nd St. on the evening of Jan. 4 for Mona Lisa Pizza, 4831 W. North Ave. As he got out of his car, he was approached by an armed assailant. Vegas then reached into his car's passenger seat, got his .32 semi-automatic pistol and shot his assailant, the complaint says; he then waited for police.

    The complaint says the suspect admitted trying to rob Vegas, who prosecutors then determined was justified in the shooting. But because Vegas' gun had been on "the front passenger seat beside the pizzas," it met the definition of a concealed weapon.

    The complaint also says that "prosecutorial discretion" was why Vegas wasn't charged in the July shooting, even though he "admitted to carrying a gun on his person in a concealed manner." But Vegas was warned then that he could not carry a concealed gun for protection on his job.
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    Sooo Stupid to have charged him at all. I think he'd have been okay if that'd happened in Florida, Alabama or a few other states that have passed a Right To Defend law...
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    Unhappy Deliveryman who shot 2 is charged

    As reported by the Millwauke Journal Sentinel:

    Deliveryman who shot 2 is charged
    Prosecutors say shootings justified, but gun concealed

    By DERRICK NUNNALLY
    dnunnally@journalsentinel.com
    Posted: Jan. 31, 2007

    A pizza deliveryman who has shot two people on the job in the past seven months was hit with his first criminal charge Wednesday: carrying a concealed weapon.

    Andres Vegas, 46, who told authorities that the teenagers he shot last month and in July were trying to rob him, appeared in court and was released on a $1,500 signature bond Wednesday. He faces up to nine months in jail and a $10,000 fine if convicted of the misdemeanor. His next court appearance is scheduled for Feb. 19.

    According to the criminal complaint, Vegas, of Cudahy, was making a delivery in the 2800 block of N. 22nd St. on the evening of Jan. 4 for Mona Lisa Pizza, 4831 W. North Ave. As he got out of his car, he was approached by an armed assailant. Vegas then reached into his car's passenger seat, got his .32 semi-automatic pistol and shot his assailant, the complaint says; he then waited for police.

    The complaint says the suspect admitted trying to rob Vegas, who prosecutors then determined was justified in the shooting. But because Vegas' gun had been on "the front passenger seat beside the pizzas," it met the definition of a concealed weapon.

    The complaint also says that "prosecutorial discretion" was why Vegas wasn't charged in the July shooting, even though he "admitted to carrying a gun on his person in a concealed manner." But Vegas was warned then that he could not carry a concealed gun for protection on his job.

    The article can be found at; http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=560194

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    He's got a weapon to defend himself. He's violently attacked, in fear for his life, and defends against the attack. Then he's the one brought up on charges as the criminal. In a state whose legislators appreciate the awful crack people find themselves in, between criminals and politicians, this sort of crap doesn't happen.

    That said, this guy apparently was warned the first time (July), but then repeated the same activity of carrying a loaded weapon. The news article doesn't state, but it would be nice to know if he had a license to carry (I'm assuming not, given the charges). He doesn't seem to have learned much, since the warning in July. Shoulda, woulda, coulda: the time to acquire the training and licensing seems to have passed him by. Now, he might never have the opportunity. Let's hope it remains a misdemeanor, for his sake, and that doesn't preclude his ever owning or legally carrying a firearm in the future.
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    Good. Now he can be the test case for VT-style carry in WI. Someone send Dick Baker an email about this.
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    I wonder why he didn't get a permit? If I was delivering pizza you can bet I would have one. Nice to see the good guy win. If he continues this type of work he will need a permit.

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    Oops...sorry mods, I didn't realize this had been posted already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    I wonder why he didn't get a permit? If I was delivering pizza you can bet I would have one. Nice to see the good guy win. If he continues this type of work he will need a permit.
    He is in Wisconsin and they don't have concealed carry. Probably won't happen while Gov. Doyle (aka Gov. Asshat) is in office AGAIN. I moved to MI to get away from him.
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    Well...the guy was warned not to carry a weapon....by who??? What if he didn't have a weapon in this last instance? He would be the victim...either in the morgue or recovering from his injuries.

    This prosecutorial discretion reads-"should I screw him or not"...politics at its worst.

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    Saying that it's not just is all good and well, but even if the DA doesn't want to charge him, the guy has forced his hand by carrying concealed when he was warned. Of all people, the DA and the courts must follow the LAW. They aren't the problem. The problem is that the people in WI are denied their natural right to defend themselves. The law needs to be changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    Well...the guy was warned not to carry a weapon....by who??? What if he didn't have a weapon in this last instance? He would be the victim...either in the morgue or recovering from his injuries.

    This prosecutorial discretion reads-"should I screw him or not"...politics at its worst.
    If someone was warned not to carry a weapon, followed that advice and was killed by BG's shortly after, could the family sue that offical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    If someone was warned not to carry a weapon, followed that advice and was killed by BG's shortly after, could the family sue that offical?
    IANAL, but I believe the answer to that question to be, "No."

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    Perhaps a lawsuit is in order for the pizza delivery man....
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