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    "Bill of Rights: Kids question right to bear arms"

    At first this article pissed me off, but then when I looked at some of the answers, I could see a little hope on the horizon. These kids aren't lost causes....yet.

    http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=254134

    The fifth-graders at Ed Baldwin Elementary weren’t sure why everyone should have the right to carry around firearms.

    They’re just glad no one does it around them.

    “I mean, that’s scary,” said Erin Raven as her classmates nodded in agreement. “Someone might pull a gun out for the wrong reason.”

    “Or just fall down and have it go off or something,” added Ebony Whitted. “Anything could happen.”

    The Second Amendment, which outlines the basic rights of Americans and firearms, has its basis in the need of communities to protect themselves. But, noted Ryan Taylor, “America is a different place now.”

    And how many of them would like to be toting around a gun?

    “Not me!” said Cameron Puckett. “I don’t know why this is in here in the first place.”

    Second Amendment: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    Why do you think they put this amendment in there?

    Megan Conroy: “Back then, that’s the way things were all around. People needed to carry guns. There were wild animals around, and you might need to protect yourself.”

    Erin Raven: “They wanted to make it fair for everyone. This way people could protect themselves.”

    Megan Conroy: It’s a backup for a time when the Army couldn’t help defend you.”

    So, America was a rougher place back then?

    Erin Raven: “It was, and you never knew what might happen.”

    Megan Conroy: “Think about the Wild West. Everybody carried around guns. And people ran around robbing things all the time. They had to carry a gun, and the Second Amendment says they could.”

    If that’s the case, why doesn’t everyone carry one now?

    Caitlyn Galbraith: “People are more civil now. Things are tamer.”

    Erin Raven: “We’re a different people now. We may disagree, but we get along more.”

    Is it a good law to have now?

    Megan Conroy: “Yes, because someday we might need to have it — like if the Army couldn’t help. It’s for security.”

    What’s something about the Bill of Rights that you don’t like?

    Erin Raven: “Parts of it are long and non-understandable. If we wrote something like they did, our teachers would make us rewrite it.”

    Ryan Taylor: “Yeah, it really needs more periods and commas. The words are fine, but sometimes they’re lumped together.”
    The kids just don't see that today's world is just as dangerous as it was then.....maybe in some ways more so. Luckily, these kids haven't been exposed to these dangers...........yet.
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    What’s something about the Bill of Rights that you don’t like?

    Erin Raven: “Parts of it are long and non-understandable. If we wrote something like they did, our teachers would make us rewrite it.”
    What does that say about the teachers? If that is what the teacher know is it any wonder that our kids grow up ignorant of the most fundamental truths?
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    Is it a good law to have now?

    Megan Conroy: “Yes, because someday we might need to have it — like if the Army couldn’t help. It’s for security.”
    There may be hope yet...
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    My kids were taught from the time they realized what guns were about carrying, and the necessity of the second amendment, really raised H E double L for some of the anti teachers, made a old man proud.
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    It makes me wonder what the education system is really teaching kids nowdays. I used to believe that gun control laws worked, and that the civilian population shouldn't need to carry guns. I grew up, and suddenly realized, that criminals will do as they please, and we must fight fire with fire.

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    Seems the more they were allowed to think freely on the subject the more they agreed with it, hmm what a surprise, kids are often smarter then people give them credit for, but they seem to lose all ability for intelligent though between ages 12-29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderdude View Post
    It makes me wonder what the education system is really teaching kids nowdays. I used to believe that gun control laws worked, and that the civilian population shouldn't need to carry guns. I grew up, and suddenly realized, that criminals will do as they please, and we must fight fire with fire.
    There's no wondering about it. They're being indoctrinated into socialism (among other things). Heck, I graduated HS in 97 and even then they were spewing liberal socialist agenda at us left and right. I did notice a clear and distinct change in the material taught, or more like not taught, in the school systems right around the time I hit the eighth grade. I had a very thorough teaching of US History then and later on in HS I had another similar class on US History and most of it was used as a form for the teacher to talk about how great it was to protest in the 60's and 70's and about how terrible any weapons are and the fact that the government should have more control. That was openly taught. It's just mind boggling.

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    My kids would tell ya different than thoseinterviewd. I have explained why I carry and why the 2nd Ammend is nessesary.
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    Liberal drivel from the mouths of babes is all the more reason why responsible adults protect this nation and bear arms to protect those kinds of people from themselves and the wolves barking at the door.

    Guaranteed, some mouth breather will point to this and say "See...even the children know we don't need guns"...

    Every sane adult knows there are dangers lurking everywhere...and every responsible adult mitigates the risk of these dangers to themselves and their children. When that fails--and state-sponsored dial-a-prayer (911) *should* be on its way--who will stand and defend themselves or their families?

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    I put this on another thread here, but it applies even more so to THIS thread, so I'll just cut and paste if that's okay.

    Let's not be too hard on the sheep. They started off behind the eight ball in school. Since the 1960's the liberals infiltrated the public school systems nationwide. They took over and the infiltration became an infestation. THEY write the curriculums that are taught. The curriculum then becomes an AGENDA.

    In my classroom, I teach that everything is a potential subject for discussion. When you discuss all sides of a subject, that creates an ISSUE. But discuss only ONE SIDE and you create an AGENDA. Such agendas are only pushed for one reason: To influence a young mind to act in a certain way at some future time. Usually it means a VOTE. But a really inspiring teacher can create the occasional activist to really push the agenda to a "next phase" for a new generation.

    I always start each school year off by asking all my classes the following two questions:

    #1 "Raise your hand if any of you have EVER in all your 12 years of schooling, had anybody in the school system say ANYTHING positive on the subject of FIREARMS? C'mon hands up!" Nothing. Not ever.

    #2 "Raise your hand if any of you have EVER in all your 12 years of schooling, had anybody in the school system say ANYTHING negative on the subject of the UNITED NATIONS? C'mon hands up!" Nothing. Not ever.

    THOSE are two prime examples of an ongoing well entrenched AGENDA in progress to an inevitable conclusion. Want evidence of a conspiracy to create a New World Order?

    Look at the nations public schools. It is self evolutionary. Plant the seed, nurture it thru the years and the receptacles who carry the seed will bring the plan to fruition. The plan has been in motion since the late Madelyn Murray O'Hare succeeded in her quest to kick God out of the classroom. That was what something like 1964? Almost 43 years? It is well along in it's progress and nearing completion. Just look around.

    So again, the sheep started out behind. They were NEVER told the significance of the Bill of Rights. They all think that it means certain RIGHTS are GIVEN by the government and therefore can be legitimately taken by same. They don't know that the Founding Fathers meant for the Bill of Rights to act as a restraint on government, to tell it what it is PROHIBITED from doing to the citizens of this country. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means something specific. That "something" has been lost in the last 40 years. By design.

    Now look at how the NWO is coalescing into a visible entity. First came the UN to provide infrastructure and a future world view. Then it broke down into NATO and the other security organizations. Much later we got the European Union that has steadily progressed. The North American Security Zone is next and I'll add in a link after I post this. A new currency will be added after the dollar crashes in a year or two: The AMERO. There is an economic reason that GOLD is surging and it is complex but very real. But economics is closely tied into politics. What ties it ALL together? EDUCATION. Here we are back to square one with the sheep.

    Here's the link. I highly advise ALL OF YOU to get this issue of this publication. The facts are irrefutable. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54070
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    Gotta remember, they are just kids. I also read the Fayetteville Observer (live in Elizabethtown). Interesting article and as you said, still hope for the kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by czman2006 View Post
    Gotta remember, they are just kids. I also read the Fayetteville Observer (live in Elizabethtown). Interesting article and as you said, still hope for the kids.
    Elizabethtown? Now don't go telling everybody what a great place White Lake is, we want to keep that to ourselves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderdude View Post
    It makes me wonder what the education system is really teaching kids nowdays. I used to believe that gun control laws worked, and that the civilian population shouldn't need to carry guns. I grew up, and suddenly realized, that criminals will do as they please, and we must fight fire with fire.
    I'm in a school daily...you don't really want to know...it is a farce!

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    “Parts of it are long and non-understandable. If we wrote something like they did, our teachers would make us rewrite it.”
    a lot of legal mumbo jumbo is written like that so i can understand where they're coming from. in fact, they seem like very intelligent kids. i mean, come on... when i started reading this i thought it was going to be like "kids say the darnedest things" or something but i don't think it was that bad in general. if half of them realize the cliche' that "if guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns" to be realistic then there's a realistic future for them ...and hopefully a safe one.
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    And so the indoctrination continues. Thank you public school system.
    When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.

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