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    Exclamation Here we go: LIFE WITH BIG BROTHER

    LIFE WITH BIG BROTHER
    'Sinister' speech plan to track Americans
    Bill would list ordinary citizens as lobbyists, disclose all contacts
    Posted: March 16, 2007
    1:00 a.m. Eastern


    © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

    ExSoldier's NOTE: Grassroots is the key to Second Amendment activism and that's the ONLY thing keeping the NRA and GOA and the others effective by putting the fear of God into the politically corrupt. If this bill becomes law, "activism" of any sort will become history.

    A new plan proposed in Congress would establish that every American is a "citizen-lobbyist" and force executive branch officials to record and publish all contacts with them, virtually eliminating the free exchange of ideas needed for open representative government, say critics.

    The "Executive Branch Reform Act," or H.R. 984, filed by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., has been endorsed by the Committee of Government Oversight and Reform 20-0 and continues to advance in the U.S. House.

    Records show it would impose vast new requirements on executive branch officials to keep track of the names of citizens who contact them, and the subjects of any conversations, so that information could be compiled four times a year and published for all the world to see.

    "In Waxman's brave new world, Joe Q. Citizen is no longer viewed as a welcome source of input to the federal government," said Rev. Ted Pike, of Truth Tellers. "Rather, only Waxman and select colleagues, primarily in Congress, the intelligence community, and the military, are allowed to communicate freely with one another.

    Rev. Ted Pike, of the National Prayer Network

    "The common American is viewed as a potential source of unhealthy opinions (i.e., grassroots lobbying efforts)," he said.

    The plan follows by only weeks a different proposal, Section 220 of the Senate's Lobby Reform bill, which was attacking free speech at the other end of the spectrum.

    That plan would have required organizations that do grassroots work, encouraging constituents to contact Washington about its latest plans and actions, to do the paperwork. But after its intent was publicized, the very grassroots activism that it sought to crush rose up and triggered its defeat.

    It would have required any organizations making grassroots contacts to document phone calls, personal visits, e-mails, magazines, broadcasts, phone banks, appearances, travel, fund-raising for government tabulation, verification and audits.

    Officials said it would have virtually eliminated the ability of organizations to publicize Washington actions and encourage citizens to comment.

    Now Pike has concluded that the new bill is "just as sinister."

    It would "bring the democratic process to a crawl, not just on the grassroots level but at its furthest extreme, among more than 9,000 employees of the executive branch of government."

    "Because of such potential 'corruption' of federal officials by heartland America, H.R. 984 will require all members of the executive branch to keep records of every call from concerned citizens," Pike said.

    "Such federal employees must even keep records of conversations during work or at a bar after work or even from their spouses in bed – input which might be construed as desiring to influence national policy. These records must include names, date, and detailed information about the content of each conversation."

    "The federal government will then take this data and publish it for the world to see. This, Waxman contends, is 'openness in government,'" Pike said.

    But in reality, "H.R. 984 means the government, which should be responsive to free petition, comment and criticism from the American people, will find its paperwork obligations so burdensome that the only way to govern will be by isolation from the public."

    He said, "This sinister legislation demolishes free exchange between citizens and those who govern, helping create a 'big brother' police state. The government will know everything about us while we would be afraid to raise our heads in comment or protest for fear of even greater federal control over our lives."

    "It is vital NOW to call the House member from your district, plus as many other House members as possible …," Pike said. "Give them the following message: 'Please do not pass Rep. Waxman’s bill H.R. 984, which requires executive branch officials to report all their conversations with concerned Americans. This violates our First Amendment rights as well as the right of petition.'"

    The National Right to Life said the new plan simply would make government officials unlikely to be willing to listen to voter concerns.

    "It would no longer be possible for a private citizen or representative of a group of private citizens to enjoy any degree of privacy when they send a communication on a policy matter to a government official, because the official will be required to report the contact," the analysis of the issue said.

    "Once this is generally understood, many citizens will become more reluctant to exercise their constitutional right to petition as freely as they did before," the group said. "Another predictable effect would be to enhance the already considerable influence wielded by congressional committee chairmen such as Chairman Waxman – an influence often exercised entirely outside of the public eye. Contacts from Congressman Waxman or from any of his scores of staff persons are exempted by H.R. 984…"

    "Congressman Waxman wants to sell his bill as an expansion of 'government in the sunshine' – but what he really wants is the political equivalent of a tanning salon: a structure in which Executive Branch officials would be isolated from the real world, and then exposed to intense, artificial, and unhealthy radiation generated by privileged inside players such as himself."

    James Dobson, chairman of Focus on the Family Action earlier this year had interrupted his regular broadcast schedule to alert people to the Section 220 provision.

    When it fell by the wayside, he said, "The big winners in this battle are the American people. Getting rid of the onerous grass-roots lobbying restrictions in S.1 is a triumph of the representative form of government our Founding Fathers established 230 years ago."

    As WND has reported, Pike and his Truth Tellers also have been involved in monitoring for proposals in Congress that would create hate speech crimes in the United States, and he's working to notify people about those.

    Activists note that under such laws in Canada and France both, legislators have been fined for publicly criticizing homosexuality. Three years ago, a Swedish hate crimes law was used to put Pastor Ake Green, who preached that homosexuality is a sin, in jail for a month.

    Pike said America's justice system requires proof of physical tangible damage before an arrest, but such proposals – including the one that is pending, H.R. 254 -- would change that. "It seeks to establish a different 'bias motivation' justice system, which will be defined in courts by judges, as has happened in Canada."

    "Judges will establish legal precedents – precedents that protect groups such as homosexuals not only from physical bias-motivated violence but also from 'verbal violence,'" Pike warned. "This will include the 'hate speech' of Bible-believing evangelical Christians.
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    Am I missing something?

    The "Executive Branch Reform Act," or H.R. 984, filed by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., has been endorsed by the Committee of Government Oversight and Reform 20-0 and continues to advance in the U.S. House.

    Records show it would impose vast new requirements on executive branch officials to keep track of the names of citizens who contact them, and the subjects of any conversations, so that information could be compiled four times a year and published for all the world to see.
    Does this JUST apply to the EXECUTIVE BRANCH? Why didn't Waxman include his branch (LEGISLATIVE) as well. Let's also not forget the Judiciary.

    ...........what a big steamy pile.
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    Can you provide a link to that story?


    Never mind, I found it.
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    Just what we need. More government paperwork. Aren't we overwhelmed by red tape already? I understand the premise of not hiding what the officials are doing, but when the fix is worse than the problem...
    eschew obfuscation

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffkirchner View Post
    Can you provide a link to that story?


    Never mind, I found it.
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.984:
    18 sponsors so far

    Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-28] - 3/9/2007 Rep Braley, Bruce L. [IA-1] - 2/13/2007
    Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 2/13/2007 Rep Cooper, Jim [TN-5] - 2/13/2007
    Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 2/13/2007 Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 2/13/2007
    Rep Davis, Tom [VA-11] - 2/12/2007 Rep Kanjorski, Paul E. [PA-11] - 2/13/2007
    Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 2/13/2007 Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 2/13/2007
    Rep McCollum, Betty [MN-4] - 2/13/2007 Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 3/1/2007
    Rep Murphy, Christopher S. [CT-5] - 2/14/2007 Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 2/13/2007
    Rep Shays, Christopher [CT-4] - 2/13/2007 Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 2/13/2007
    Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 2/27/2007 Rep Yarmuth, John A. [KY-3] - 2/13/2007



    Hmmmm.. wouldn't that be an intrusion into the Executive powers?
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    Maybe we should all contact Mr. Waxman...

    Quote Originally Posted by CopperKnight View Post
    Just what we need. More government paperwork. Aren't we overwhelmed by red tape already? I understand the premise of not hiding what the officials are doing, but when the fix is worse than the problem...
    Lets give Waxman his own medicine. We should all contact him 10 times a day using every method possible. Let him document THAT and waste HIS time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SA-XD40 View Post
    Lets give Waxman his own medicine. We should all contact him 10 times a day using every method possible. Let him document THAT and waste HIS time...
    That's the problem, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO! He just wants the Executive branch to document their comms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    ExSoldier's NOTE: .....If this bill becomes law, "activism" of any sort will become history.
    I can think of one kind of activism that won't become history. It's an absolute last resort, but it's kept them from stepping over the line with the other foot......so far.
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    The plan is simple to figure out; make it illegal to "have contact" with your representative. Then when you call or write, you can be fined for "influencing" the course of government.

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    Give me a BREAK what a joke They have nothing BETTER TO DO ?
    Lets Dream up ANOTHER STUPID LAW to put on the books

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