Community Suggests Gun Possession Is Illegal For Residents
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ANTIOCH, Tenn.- Some people ...
March 18th, 2007 02:56 PM
Community Suggests Gun Possession Is Illegal For Residents
I HATE homeowner associations and this is just another reason why. How could they even HOPE to enforce such a rule.
ANTIOCH, Tenn.- Some people in a Nashville neighborhood are furious over a new rule that makes it illegal to own a gun.
Residents in Nashboro Village said it's unconstitutional and leaves them defenseless.
Two weeks ago, residents received a from their homeowners' association indicating that guns are not allowed on the property.
"It thought it was ironic that they say you can't have something when the United States government says you can," said resident Cristina Salajanu.
Salajanu would like to give her neighborhood management company a history lesson.
"I think it's unconstitutional," Salajanu said. "They can't tell you what to own or not to own in your own house."
Salajanu is talking about the Bill of Rights, specifically the Second Amendment, which grants citizens the right to keep and bear arms. It's been an American freedom for 215 years but Salajanu and other residents said it's been taken away from them.
"Something needs to be done," she said.
Two weeks ago, the property management company at Nashboro Village told its residents no more guns on the property.
"It incensed me that it was written the way it was," said a resident who asked not to be identified.
She said there is a serious need to feel protected here and a firearm can do that.
"We've got dark areas, the lighting is very definitely very dim," she said.
Salajanu said that burglaries started to increase since late summer...
She said she believes her neighborhood has changed since she moved in last year.
"Three weeks ago someone was stopped at gunpoint," Salajanu said. "It seems the nature of those burglaries is becoming more dangerous."
Some residents at Nashboro Village have campaigned for better lighting and more security but if they can't get either they at least want their Second Amendment rights upheld.
"If I'm walking if I'm walking my dog or if I am outside walking and if I don't feel safe and I'm licensed then I'll carry a gun," said the resident who did not want her identity disclosed.
Officials with Ghertner and Company, the property manager at Nashboro Village, would not make an on-camera comment about the gun policy but said they plan on changing the rule soon to allow firearms on the property.
However, they would make it illegal to fire those guns, which residents say is still unconstitutional.
Neighbors said they understand the gun rule is meant to keep criminals out of Nashboro Village but they don't believe that prohibiting firearms is the best way to do that.
March 18th, 2007 02:56 PM
March 18th, 2007 03:01 PM
hope the dorkknob that wrote that policy gets fired
March 18th, 2007 03:03 PM
If an innocent gets harmed while they are "changing the rule soon to allow firearms on the property," the association needs to get sued!
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March 18th, 2007 03:36 PM
How can a home owner's ass. make that illegal? I can see where there may be restrictions on what you can add to your house, or colors you can paint the outside, etc......but to make it 'illegal' to own a gun........I call shenanigans. Something is rotten in Denmark!
If this is legal, then they can make it illegal for fat, short, ugly, purple people to live there as well.
What kind of penalty for breaking this 'law'?
Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.-Seneca
"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. If I have a gun, what do I have to be paranoid about?" -Clint Smith
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Jeff Cooper
March 18th, 2007 03:55 PM
That's the trouble with Homeowners' associations - they're little kingdoms and if your not paying attention, all sorts of nonesense can happen. And yes, you are bound by the covenants of the association, because it's the same as a contract. You bought the house knowing it was in an association, and you're stuck with their rules. They can't make you sell your house, but they can sue you for cash penalties if you persistently violate the covenant.
March 18th, 2007 03:57 PM
Give the BG's a sniff of this sorta crap and they'll sure know where to rob next
Same old, same old - ban guns from legitimate folks and all will be just wonderful! What a crock.
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March 18th, 2007 04:06 PM
I'd like to see them try to come get mine....
...but then again, this is the reason I bought my house in the boonies and not part of a HOA.
This is not only a 2A issue, but a 4A issue. Not to mention, *** do they think they are to come up with this rule? They don't pay the mortgage and people pay (outrageous) fees to keep the amenities and common areas serviced and in good repair. The moment they start dictating what one can have in their home, is the moment THEY will have a problem on their hands...
March 18th, 2007 04:52 PM
The home owners association sounds like an anti minority group who stick their noses into every body elses business. We have the same problems here until people put them in their place. They have no business dictating what you will or will not do in your own home.
March 18th, 2007 04:56 PM
Wait A Minute...
I don't believe an association can make rules after-the-fact...
Now you're going to be able to HAVE firearms, but you can't fire them...which dork has that idea?
Sound like some noobie was just appointed to his/her first association president's position...now he's the king...
Do the Brady's live in your neighborhood?
I'd ignore the rules...can't be enforced...
"That I cannot do."
"Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
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March 18th, 2007 07:00 PM
This kinda of made me laugh, I guess I have a dark sense of humor.
I also get a kick out of watching the stupid fumble through life. (will that send me to hell?)
They cant ban inanimate objects, and they cant change the rules mid game. The association rules are just that, rules. they are not laws or enforceable as such.
Chances are its already illegal to discharge a firearm in Antioch TN., the associations rules wont mean squat.
FWIW, I like my homeowners association, it keeps the hillbilly neighbors from parking their Camero in their front yard and their extra fridge and living room furniture off their front porch.
March 18th, 2007 07:13 PM
Homeowners associations are creeping Socialism - and a lot of RINO's love them.
And if you already have one, you've already surrendered your property rights, so take those awful guns of the premises! It's not your home, it's the People's Residence, and they get to say what goes on, on their property!
They don't take away your right to carry - they just take away your home if you do.
March 18th, 2007 08:03 PM
The Nashboro Village area ZIP Code is 37217. According to the Metro PD crime logs YTD2006:
Violent Crime: 177 reports
Property crime: 788
Total UCR Crime:965
The sad part is those numbers are DOWN 9.47%
And they wonder what the big deal is when they want to take the tools people need to protect themselves away.
And yes...it's already illegal to discharge a firearm in the Nashville city limits...thats why we had around 200 shots fired calls according to the interactive crime maps on the local police website. That doesn't include armed robberies, murders, etc.
Crooks don't care...WHY is that so $#@&#%$#@#@&#%$ hard for these idiots to understand!
March 18th, 2007 08:58 PM
Hey....if any of you live in HOAs and want to save your firearms...be sure to send them to SIGguys Gun Rescue...I'm still taking donations!!
March 18th, 2007 09:11 PM
That might be true, but its an association of the homeowners... it is run by the homeowners, and they set the rules. The rules are set and agreed to before anyone buys a home, and any and all changes to the rules are discussed, then voted on by all members. I don't se anything wrong with that at all. Anything else I would not agree with. Mine is pretty easy going, you can do about anything you want until it affects the neighbors.
Originally Posted by Steve in ABQ
In a modern subdivision, my property and its value is greatly affected by what my neighbors do. If they want to park a tractor trailer in their side yard, they need to find a home else where. I pay far to much and work to hard to keep a nice home to have it ruined by the Clampetts next door.
On the gun issue... as I said earlier, they cannot enforce such a rule at all, its a worthless rule to have. I do wonder how they planned on enforcing that one. No homeowners association can create rules as to what the people do or own.
March 18th, 2007 09:37 PM
IANAL, but I believe that that is correct in Tennessee. If you didn't agree to it personally, I don't think it is binding upon you; only upon those who came in after the rule was on the books. Consult an attorney.
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