Amish Straw Purchases?

Amish Straw Purchases?

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    Amish Straw Purchases?

    There's an interesting tidbit at the end of this article. Most of the article is about Mennonites moving out of Mississippi because the state recently stopped allowing people to get a drivers license without having their picture taken if their religious beliefs prohibit photography. However, at the end of the article, they mention that the Amish have a similar problem, not with driver's licenses (don't need one for a horse and buggy, I guess), but with firearms.

    And in Pennsylvania, Dr. Kraybill said, a law requiring photo identification to buy guns has prompted many Amish hunters to hire non-Amish neighbors to buy guns for them.
    Seems to meet the definition of a straw purchase to me. The government really ought to come up with some way for the Amish to exercise their 2A rights without violating their religious beliefs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    There's an interesting tidbit at the end of this article. Most of the article is about Mennonites moving out of Mississippi because the state recently stopped allowing people to get a drivers license without having their picture taken if their religious beliefs prohibit photography. However, at the end of the article, they mention that the Amish have a similar problem, not with driver's licenses (don't need one for a horse and buggy, I guess), but with firearms.



    Seems to meet the definition of a straw purchase to me. The government really ought to come up with some way for the Amish to exercise their 2A rights without violating their religious beliefs.
    My understanding is that a straw purchase takes place when someone buys a firearm for someone who is legally prohibited from owning one. I don't think that this qualifies in that sense, however I can see where anyone might think it would.
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    since they are amish, i thought this story would truly be about purchasing straw haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jednp View Post
    since they are amish, i thought this story would truly be about purchasing straw haha.
    Naahhh. They grow their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p8riot
    My understanding is that a straw purchase takes place when someone buys a firearm for someone who is legally prohibited from owning one.
    Right. I think this might make for an interesting court case. The Amish aren't legally prohibited from buying or owning these guns, they just don't want to have their picture taken, so they are not in possession of the proper ID to make the purchase themselves. They legally COULD get the ID, they just don't want to. So, is that a straw purchase or isn't it? I don't know. The fact that their objection to the ID is on religious grounds just adds yet another layer of complication to the question.

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    It's not a straw purchase, P8triot was correct, it's only a straw purchase if the final recipient is prohibited from owning the firearm.

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    Well....

    Quote Originally Posted by p8riot View Post
    Naahhh. They grow their own.
    They grow HAY. Straw is a byproduct.
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    if you think about, their picture was taking at one time or another anyway. they go into "town" to purchase things and you can't go anywhere anymore without cameras (security or not) all over the place taking pics and footage of millions all the time. i wonder if they thought of that or if it doesn't count.
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    If one looks at the form 4473, this would be a straw purchase, since the person filling out the paperwork is not the actual purchaser of the firearm.

    Not that I don't think the Amish should be buying firearms, but according to current laws, they are not going about it the correct way. This is what needs to be addressed and hopefully it will with this being brought to light.

    How many of us in here would be willing to purchase a firearm for someone under these circumstances. I am not refering to purchases for gifts or anything like that, but for someone that is either unwilling or unable to do the paperwork themselves.

    I would not.
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    Clip, clop, clip, clop, clip, clop..BANG! BANG! BANG! clipity, clop, clipity, clop...
    You have just been a witness to an Amish drive-by shooting.
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    That sure made for a slow get away

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    OMaGawd....

    It's an Amish drive by shooting....





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    Well heck, since this thread got hi-jacked........

    When I was in Ohio visiting the inlaws during Christmas they took us to an Amish Restaurant in Walnut Creek called the Der Dutchman. That place was awesome! If you are ever in Amish country in Northern Ohio check it out. It was homestyle cooking although a somewhat different style than what my southern definition of homestyle cooking is. I will eat there this summer when we go back up to visit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    When I was in Ohio visiting the inlaws during Christmas they took us to an Amish Restaurant in Walnut Creek called the Der Dutchman. <SNIP> It was homestyle cooking although a somewhat different style than what my southern definition of homestyle cooking is.
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    I was at a gun show in Nappanee, IN yesterday. Quite a few Amish were there as dealers and purchasers.
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