LA Crimes (er, Times)...VT shooting fallout

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    Angry LA Crimes (er, Times)...VT shooting fallout

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...ck=1&cset=true

    WASHINGTON Monday's deadly rampage at Virginia Tech sparked a largely one-sided response in the long-running debate over guns.

    Gun control advocates said the shootings pointed to the need for tougher laws, while supporters of gun rights generally kept their heads down.

    (yeah....they haven't been here, have they?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    Gun control advocates said the shootings pointed to the need for tougher laws, while supporters of gun rights generally kept their heads down.
    Disgusting. Could they be any more obvious about their bias? Heck, even John McCain came out pro-2A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post

    Gun control advocates said the shootings pointed to the need for tougher laws, while supporters of gun rights generally kept their heads down.
    Thats because the anti's have no class or manners.

    I wonder if there will be a effect on aliens and allowing them to attend our schools.
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    Are they not aware of all the existing laws - it's those that need implemented, and leave us law abiding folks the heck alone.

    Of course - for them this is just another perfect opportunity to flex muscles, and try to further ''control''.
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    There is a good article in the Orlando Sentinel with the following headline "More guns, not fewer, would have saved lives." It is by Jack A Chambless who is a proffesor of economics at Valencia Community College. He has has done quit a bit of research on the subject. The article is on page A 13 of the paper. I do not have the typeing ability or know how to transfer this article to the forum. I'll give it a try and hope it works. If I am unsucessful mabe some one else knows how to transfer the article and will do so. It is very worthwhile reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    ... I'll give it a try and hope it works. If I am unsucessful mabe some one else knows how to transfer the article and will do so. It is very worthwhile reading.
    Here it is:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,627865.story

    More guns, not fewer, would have saved lives

    Jack A. Chambless | Posted April 17, 2007

    In the wake of the horrific massacre that occurred at Virginia Tech, newspapers throughout the country wasted no time in reporting that Virginia has some of the most lenient gun laws in the United States:

    According to the International Herald Tribune, "Ownership requires only passing criminal background checks, which can be bypassed by buying from an unlicensed dealer. And unlicensed dealers can sell their wares at gun shows without requiring criminal checks. Guns need not be registered unless the owner wants to carry a concealed weapon."

    We can expect more of this type of intellectual laziness as reporters, politicians, soccer moms and everyone else who is convinced that guns are bad lines up to offer up the latest "proof" that school shootings are "caused" by the lack of "gun control."

    As it turns out, the exact opposite is a fact. School shootings -- and many other shootings for that matter -- occur because we do not have enough law-abiding, armed citizens.

    Let's look at the evidence:

    John Lott, a University of Chicago economist, collected data from every one of the 3,054 counties in the United States over an 18-year period and examined changes in the rates of nine different types of crime. He also accounted for the effects of dozens of other variables, including variations in arrest rates, in the age and racial composition of a county's population, in national crime rates, and in changes made to gun-control laws, including the adoption of waiting periods. Lott's findings show that concealed-weapons laws significantly reduce violent crime. On average, the murder rate fell by 10 percent, rape by 3 percent, and aggravated assault by 6 percent.

    By concealed-weapons laws, we are talking, of course, about citizens who legally carry firearms to provide for their constitutional protections before the police show up. Ask any law-enforcement officer, and he or she will tell you that it is far more common for the police to appear after someone is dead than a few seconds before the trigger is pulled. Society does not have the resources or the power of premonition to place our law officers in the right place at the right time. Therefore, the citizens, as our Founding Fathers believed, have the right and responsibility to prevent massacres like the one that has tragically occurred at Virginia Tech.

    All parents who care about the long-run safety of their children should actively pursue gun-safety courses, gun training and a home environment that respects guns for what they are meant to do. If more parents did this, rather than listen to the histrionics of people who are ignorant about guns and our rights, then at some point during the Virginia Tech shootings the gunman would have faced the barrel of a gun being held by a responsible citizen. That could have been after one death or 20, but it would have dramatically increased the probability of lives being saved.

    It would have also given future gunmen that much-needed moment of pause if more of them realized that there were many potential defenders of life out there among the citizenry.

    Jack A. Chambless is an economics professor at Valencia Community College.

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    More guns, not fewer, would have saved lives

    How refreshing it is to see someone who really gets it. :)

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    As I usually do when I am stressing out about the anti gun media's rantings, I turned to Laura Ingram.

    On her show, she was BLASTING the leadership of VA Tech for not allowing concealed carry on campus.

    She sometimes gets emotional on her show but this time she seemed REALLY over the top. I think she might have been foaming at the mouth a little

    She kept saying things like, "would anyone who had a son or daughter in that building yesterday say that they would rather that no one had a gun there to help defend them? This is just common sense."

    I love this woman!
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    How can you have any tougher law - each and every victim was already disarmed.

    Are these folks stupid enough to think that someone who is going to violate the law against murder not just once, but many times, would worry about a stupid gun law? What ARE they smoking these days in Kalifornica??
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    Name the law that would have prevented this VA shooting?

    If the shooter wasn't able to buy legally...he could have purchased illegally, and much quicker, too!

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