McCain says, "No gun control" Now that's a bold statement!

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    McCain says, "No gun control" Now that's a bold statement!

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    WASHINGTON (AP) Republican presidential candidate John McCain declared Wednesday he believes in "no gun control," making the strongest affirmation of support for gun rights in the GOP field since the Virginia Tech massacre.
    The Arizona senator said in Summerville, S.C., that the country needs better ways to identify dangerous people like the gunman who killed 32 people and himself in the Blacksburg, Va., rampage. But he opposed weakening gun rights and, when asked whether ammunition clips sold to the public should be limited in size, said, "I don't think that's necessary at all."

    GOP rival Rudy Giuliani, too, voiced his support for the Second Amendment on Wednesday, but not in such absolute terms. Once an advocate of strong federal gun controls, the former New York mayor said "this tragedy does not alter the Second Amendment" while indicating he favors the right of states to pass their own restrictions.

    Other candidates in both parties have stayed largely silent on the issue in the immediate aftermath of the killings, except to express their sorrow.

    McCain has opposed many gun controls in the Senate over the years but broke from most of his party and his past in supporting legislation to require background checks for buyers at gun shows. In one such vote, he relished taking a position at odds with the National Rifle Association.

    In a speech Wednesday to a crowd of 400, McCain was unequivocal in support of the right to bear arms.

    "I do not believe we should tamper with the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States," he said. A woman shouted that George Washington's troops used muskets, not automatic weapons.

    "I hope that we can find better ways of identifying people such as this sick young man so that we can prevent them from not only taking action with guns but with knives or with anything else that will harm their fellow citizens," McCain said.

    McCain reiterated that later with reporters.

    "I strongly support the Second Amendment and I believe the Second Amendment ought to be preserved which means no gun control," McCain said.

    The candidates' silence and discomfort may become insupportable once the nation finds its voice in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech murders.

    Democrats have been deliberately muted for months on an issue that, by their own reckoning, contributed to and perhaps sealed their defeat in the 2000 presidential election. That's when Al Gore's call for gun registration cost him votes in rural America and dulled the party's appetite for taking on the gun lobby.

    Top Republicans in the race are trying to close ranks with their party's conservative base on a variety of issues, making gun control an unusually sensitive one for them, too, thanks to their liberal views in the past.

    With facts still unfolding, the killer was described as a creepy loner who had been accused of stalking two women, wrote violent schoolwork, been sent to mental health counseling for suspected suicidal tendencies, and scared some fellow students out of coming to class yet did not have a criminal record that might have stopped him from buying his guns.

    Giuliani's emphasis on state-by-state solutions to gun control in the GOP primaries contrasts with his past enthusiasm for a federal mandate to register handgun owners an even stiffer requirement than registering guns.

    Giuliani, as New York mayor and former Senate prospect, and Republican Mitt Romney, as Massachusetts governor and as a Senate candidate in the 1990s, supported the federal ban on assault-type weapons, background checks on gun purchases and other restrictions reviled by many gun-rights advocates.

    The other New Yorker in this race, Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, also supported proposals for state-issued photo gun licenses, as well as a national registry for handgun sales, in positions laid out for crime-weary New Yorkers in 2000.

    In this campaign, candidates in both parties who've ever taken a shot at a prey are playing up their hunting credentials. Others are highlighting their allegiance to the constitutional right to bear arms or avoiding the question altogether.

    Democratic candidate John Edwards, despite recently highlighting his boyhood outings hunting birds, rabbits and deer as well as his respect for gun ownership rights, backed his party's main gun control measures when he was in the Senate.

    Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, as a state lawmaker in the 1990s, supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tougher state restrictions on firearms.

    Mass shootings have often been the catalyst for legislative action on gun control, with mixed results.

    And with Democrats controlling Congress partly on the strength of new members from rural parts of the country, few lawmakers were expecting the Virginia Tech assault to revive the most far-reaching gun-control proposals of the past, such as national licensing or registration.

    In 1999, after the Columbine High School killings in Colorado left 15 dead, lawmakers unsuccessfully introduced dozens of bills to require mandatory child safety locks on new handguns, ban "Saturday night specials," increase the minimum age for gun purchases and require background checks on weapons bought at gun shows.

    A month after the Columbine shootings, then-Vice President Gore cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate to advance a juvenile crime bill that included gun show restrictions. But the bill died in negotiations with the House.

    The Virginia Tech senior and South Korean native identified as the Blacksburg gunman, Cho Seung-Hui, was a legal permanent resident of the U.S., meaning he could legally buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony. The campus killings were carried out with 9 mm and .22-caliber handguns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    ....A woman shouted that George Washington's troops used muskets, not automatic weapons.
    Taking that argument to it's most logical conclusion, we should mandate that congress submit all legislation using quill pens and iron gall ink.
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    we should mandate that congress submit all legislation using quill pens and iron gall ink.
    Excellent!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by p8riot View Post
    ...we should mandate that congress submit all legislation using quill pens and iron gall ink.
    Now that isn't such a bad idea, p8riot! We'd have a lot fewer laws if they had to be hand-written.

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    While it's good to hear from a Republican contender, and I respect the fact he stayed with his men.

    He under cut the constitution with the McCaine-Finegold Finance Bill, and has sold out the Republican party too many times for me to trust him to be president.

    Although, it was good to see he didn't flinch like a little school girl after his "Bomb Iran" song.

    I can't vote or support him.
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    They are left in full possession of them."

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    ....I'm sure President Washington's troops would have used automatic weapons had they been available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by srfl View Post
    ....I'm sure President Washington's troops would have used automatic weapons had they been available.
    Heck, I'm sure they would have been more than happy to climb into an Abrams to.


    Dang public education
    "[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons.
    They are left in full possession of them."

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    Well, the other truth of the matter is that a military musket was precisely the "assault weapon" of its time. It was almost AK-like...it was swifter to reload than a rifle, which needed the bullet hammered down the barrel, had only rudimentary sights, and was wholly intended for use on the battlefield in volley fire. It had no legitimate sporting purpose.

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    I think most of us are a bit wary of McCain, and with good reason, IMO. I've heard him bounce off of both sides on too many issues to trust him to do the right thing when it counts. I'm sure he's very capable of saying what he thinks people will want to hear. I just don't think he has the conviction to go through with it.

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    All of these politicians are giving nothing more than lip service. If they get in, it'll be back to business as usual. Giuliani's DEFINATELY guilty of this - talk about two-faced. Maybe he should try to get Nugent to take him shooting too...

    Best to rely on their past behaviors as an indicator of future actions, rather than their sudden 'change of heart' (read: pool of voters).

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