More Roanoke Times insanity

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    More Roanoke Times insanity

    My reply back to this moron in italics

    http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/co...b/wb/xp-114767

    Fewer, not more guns

    Do you want to live in an America where you feel you have to provide a handgun to your sons or daughters for them to be safe in college or high school classrooms? Would you want to carry a firearm every time you go to the grocery store, to the shopping mall, to church or to any public place? If not everywhere you go, how will you know when the armed madman or criminal might appear?

    That’s exactly right—bad things happen everywhere. That is why I wear my seatbelt, have airbags in my car, carry insurance, have smoke detectors, and train to carry and then carry a firearm for the protection of me and my family.


    Would you and your family be willing to practice handling and shooting a gun so that you might have some realistic chance of defending yourself against an armed criminal? Will you need a 9 mm handgun with a 15-round clip so you won't be outgunned by an armed criminal? Will you need a bulletproof vest, or armor-piercing bullets in case the criminal is wearing a vest?

    Yes…my family does practice, as I travel a lot for my job and want my family to have the tools and mindset to defend themselves until the police show up. Does it matter what size magazine (the correct term) I use? Nope. Please cite a case where a criminal used a bulletproof vest during the commission of a crime.


    Or would you feel content to rely on gun enthusiasts like those who write to this newspaper, hoping that they will be there and that they will be as good with a gun as they think they are?

    No one should rely on anyone else to protect them…everyone should be responsible for themselves and the cooperate with the authorities when they show up. WHY should I defend YOU and YOUR family if YOU won't do it?


    If the opportunity to carry firearms in public places is such a valuable right, why aren't more of us actually doing it?

    How do you know people aren’t? Do you know what everyone is doing around the state? How do you know if someone pumping gas next to you isn’t carrying? You don't. Maybe you are oblivious, as I openly carry in a restaurant, as required by law.


    The mere passage of time distances us from the overly romanticized, Wild West attitudes that produce these self-professed rugged individualists who believe in self-help by gun, instead of relying on our trained police forces as the rest of us, collectively, democratically, have chosen.

    "a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]

    Effective gun control will be extreme gun control, and it may very well require the repeal of the Second Amendment and the reconstitution of the current Supreme Court.

    Gun control isn't about guns...it's about control. We've already banned drugs, murder, and tax evasion, yet these things still happen. Very specious to me...


    If it is to happen sooner rather than later, it will require that wives and mothers and young people have the strength of will and conviction to oppose and stand up to those mostly old men who are not going to change their minds about guns.

    Excuse me? I am 34 years old, married with two boys…and have been responsible for my safety since I turned 18. Sounds like you like to stereotype people to make your point…talk about changing minds. I've also taken responsibility to train regularly and attend professionally accredited institutions for refresher training. When was the last time you took a driving course? or a cooking course?

    It won't happen in my lifetime, probably not in my children's lifetimes. But it will happen, and America will be a better place when it does.

    Like the UK and Australia where violent crime and home burglaries are up? People are arming themselves with kitchen knives and now the UK is trying to ban that too! Sounds like a great future.

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    "The mere passage of time distances us from the overly romanticized, Wild West attitudes that produce these self-professed rugged individualists who believe in self-help by gun, instead of relying on our trained police forces as the rest of us, collectively, democratically, have chosen."

    That made me want to go throw up. Why oh why is the collectivist mindset infecting America? :(
    ...He suggested that "every American citizen" should own a rifle and train with it on firing ranges "at every courthouse." -Chesty Puller

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    If the anti's want to be subjects and have their lives controled let them move to the UK where they prosecute the home owners and reward the buglers

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    " collectively, democratically, have chosen."
    :(
    I think he summed it up right there with a slip. Democrats have chosen, and want their choice forced on the rest of us to conform.
    I will support gun control when you can guarantee all guns are removed from this planet. That includes military and law enforcement. When you can accomplish that, then I will be the last person to lay down my gun. Then I will carry the weapon that replaces the gun.

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    I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

    What an ignoramus. Get a clue, Roanoke.

    PS - No, I won't be pulling out a gun to defend you. I will defend my own life and my family.
    Gun Control means never having to say "I missed you."

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    Did the cops get some kind of crime radar instant teleportation device?
    Being peaceful does not guarantee peace, strength and a willingness to commit violence when needed does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyghost View Post
    Did the cops get some kind of crime radar instant teleportation device?
    They don't need it. They'll just arrest people pre-emptively. Didn't you see Minority Report?

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    Do you want to live in an America where you feel you have to provide a handgun to your sons or daughters for them to be safe in college or high school classrooms?
    Many millions of people alread DO feel exactly that way ... with a relatively low rate of firearms ownership and a nearly non-existent rate of carrying in such places. I absolutely DO NOT want to live in such a place. Time to change that, via smacking down the stupidity that seeks to disarm citizens of their right to defend themselves.

    Would you want to carry a firearm every time you go to the grocery store, to the shopping mall, to church or to any public place?
    Already do that. My firearm and preparedness are with me 100% of the time, despite the fact that police can be there in the first ten seconds of a violent attack on me 0% of the time. Actually, because of that fact.

    If not everywhere you go, how will you know when the armed madman or criminal might appear?
    One already cannot know. I'd prefer to be armed against the possibility, instead of forcibly disarmed to please some bureaucrat's deranged sensibilities as to what constitutes my likelihood of survival in such a situation. I can't feed a violent attacker my senator's good intentions.

    "... instead of relying on our trained police forces as the rest of us, collectively, democratically, have chosen."
    No collective of people in the USA ever dictated that all must hold a fanciful and impossible reliance on a militarized force a mile or more away, certainly not in defense of a violent attack that takes only seconds to initiate.

    Question for the group of folks in the back wearing rose-colored glasses: Which is most likely to defeat a violent attack within the first ten seconds? (pick one only)
    1. Prayer.
    2. Telephone + wait time + begging time + travel time + photo opportunity for the coroner.
    3. Pixie dust.
    4. A firearm in hand.


    The mere fact that U.S. courts are on record as acknowledging that "trained police forces" have no specific duty to protect anyone, try as they might, it's not rational to have such an expectation that they'll magically appear in those ten seconds. It isn't rational under any circumstances, but let's not split hairs.

    We The People did already decide that self-reliance in the form of one's actual ability to defend one's self is rightfully in the hands of each person, that usurping that right is specifically and forever out of range of government finagling, and that it's acknowledged to be an inborn, preexisting right of all citizens. Self defense via firearms, no less.

    In the first ten seconds of a violent attack, I'm the only one with a fighting chance to stop an attack on me. The only things that can eliminate my chances are (a) my own stupidity, lack of awareness or slow reaction times, and (b) bureaucrats that have nothing better to do than disarm the duly-constituted authority of the land (uh, that would be us) for the express purpose of turning all individuals into bleating sheep awaiting slaughter. Pass.

    Have a healthy disrespect for armed socialists who seek to forcibly disarm the citizens. As healthy a disrespect as did Ayn Rand and Orson Welles.
    Last edited by ccw9mm; April 28th, 2007 at 12:27 AM.
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