Philadelphia Defies Preemption

Philadelphia Defies Preemption

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    Exclamation Philadelphia Defies Preemption

    Philly bypasses state, OKs gun control
    Fri May 4, 11:42 AM ET

    PHILADELPHIA - The City Council approved limits to gun purchases with the promise to sue state lawmakers to enforce it, saying the city could no longer wait for the Legislature as the murder rate skyrockets.

    Only state lawmakers can enact firearms laws in Pennsylvania. But with 137 homicides in Philadelphia so far this year, Councilman Darrell Clarke said the city had to do something.


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    ugh... that's just asinine, glad I left the city. It'll never get anywhere though, the state will win.
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    More editorial ......

    PENNSYLVANIA (2): Philadelphia City Councilman Seeks to Usurp
    Preemption and Sue Commonwealth!

    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=2943

    Unable to pass
    an anti-gun agenda thanks to Pennsylvania's preemption statute,
    Philadelphia City Councilman Darrell Clarke (D-5) is now attempting to
    seek final passage on eight gun-control bills that have been sitting
    idle. Clarke even has claimed that the City Council is preparing a
    legal suit claiming the Legislature's inaction on gun-control measures.
    Please contact your City Council member and respectfully urge him or her
    to oppose any of these anti-gun measures that may come before the
    Council.

    To find contact information for your Philadelphia City Council
    Member please click here
    http://www.phila.gov/citycouncil/dis...trictform.html.
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    "Let's ignore the established laws, and make our own, and then sue them into existance because we don't like the state laws." Brilliant!! And yet, it's "justified" because they have to "do something."

    This should be grounds for removal from office, and I'm not talking about being voted out of office.

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    The City Council approved limits to gun purchases with the promise to sue state lawmakers to enforce it
    And it's almost guaranteed that the corresponding lawsuit to hang the City of Philadelphia by the noogies will win, as well, to the tune of big $$. 'Course, that might take a willing test case to be the guinea pig. Still, crimes against the Constitution aren't anything to shake a stick at. Every one of those do-gooders on the city council would be shafted, if it came to that.

    Walk softly, but carry a big stick. In this case, the Pennsylvania state "stick" is far bigger.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    Philadelphia gov't is all crooks, starting at the top.

    And if the (state) laws are so bad, why is it the rest of the state doesn't have a gun problem??? Choir dismissed.
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500Mag View Post
    And if the (state) laws are so bad, why is it the rest of the state doesn't have a gun problem???
    That sir is the million dollar question that the tax payers of Philadelphia will pay to find out the answer.
    "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]
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    It sounds like philadelphia has a growing drug problem

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    It is sad to see the birthplace of freedom and our counrty, the northeast, turning into such a nazi control state.

    Thomas Jefferson would be ashamed.

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    Instead of strengthening gun laws, perhaps they should legalize drugs. All the dealers would be out of business in short order if users could purchase them from legitimate establishments. And the drugs could be taxed, with the revenue going towards rehab programs for all the users of said drugs to get help in quitting.
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    Innovative Idea

    The city could deputize every law abiding citizen. Thus authorizing each to carry a gun. Got to get around the stupidity at the state house some how.

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    It is sad to see the birthplace of freedom and our counrty, the northeast, turning into such a nazi control state.
    A good question for any politician in Penn.: "What have you done for (not to) my freedom, today?"
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    Philadelphia also has a big problem because they're about 36 feet away from New Jersey. (No offense to any New Jerseyans in the crowd)

    I spend a lot of time in Philadelphia, and so long as they don't prevent me from CARRYING, I'll be fine. I can buy a gun anywhere.
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    If the state has any guts the AG will issue warrants for the arrest of the council members who vote for the measure. Then send the state police to arrest them. I'd love to see somebody in this country stand up to places like San Francisco and the others who think that they can violate state laws without any repercussions. It would probably only take one case like that to solve the problem. Instead the state usually waits until an individual files suit agains the city and then joins in. What that usually means is that the state doesn't want to enforce the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr_cmg View Post
    I'd love to see somebody in this country stand up to places like San Francisco and the others who think that they can violate state laws without any repercussions. It would probably only take one case like that ...
    It would probably take several, stupidity being what it is these days. But, ditto on the sentiment. Start with Nagin. That would be the perfect place to begin.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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