"Armed with the Truth" by Fred Thompson

"Armed with the Truth" by Fred Thompson

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    "Armed with the Truth" by Fred Thompson

    http://abcradio.com/article.asp?id=405250&SPID=15663

    If you care about Constitutional law, and everybody should, the big news is that it looks as if the Supreme Court is going to hear a Second Amendment case some time next year. The event that sparked this legal fuse was a case brought by six D.C. residents who simply wanted functional firearms in their homes for self-defense. In response, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit struck down the District's 31-year-old gun ban -- one of the strictest in the nation.

    Our individual right to keep and bear arms, as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, may finally be confirmed by the high court; but this means that we're going to see increasing pressure on the Supreme Court from anti-gun rights activists who want the Constitution reinterpreted to fit their prejudices. The New York Times has already fired the first broadside.

    A few days ago, the Gray Lady published a fascinating account of the case -- fascinating but fundamentally flawed. In it, the central argument about the Second Amendment is pretty accurately described. Specifically, it is between those who see it as an individual right versus those who see it as a collective states' right having more to do with the National Guard than the people.

    Unfortunately, the article falsely portrays the individual right argument as some new interpretation held only by a few fringe theorists. The truth is very different, as civil rights attorney and gun law expert Don Kates has pointed out recently.

    From the enactment of the Bill of Rights in 1791 until the 20th Century, no one seriously argued that the Second Amendment dealt with anything but an individual right -- along with all other nine original amendments. Kates writes that not one court or commentator denied it was a right of individual gun owners until the last century. Judges and commentators in the 18th and 19th century routinely described the Second Amendment as a right of individuals. And they expressly compared it to the other rights such as speech, religion, and jury trial.

    The Times has simply replayed theories invented by the 20th century gun control movement. Their painting of the individual right interpretation as a minority view is equally fanciful.

    Kates writes that, "Over 120 law review articles have addressed the Second Amendment since 1980. The overwhelming majority affirm that it guarantees a right of individual gun owners. That is why the individual right view is called the 'standard model' view by supporters and opponents alike. With virtually no exceptions, the few articles to the contrary have been written by gun control advocates, mostly by people in the pay of the anti-gun lobby."

    Kates goes further, writing that "a very substantial proportion" of the articles supporting individual gun rights are by scholars who would have been happy to find evidence that guns could be banned. When guns were outlawed in D.C., crime and murder rates skyrocketed. Still, the sentiment exists and must be countered with facts. All of this highlights why it is so important to appoint judges who understand that their job is to interpret the law, as enacted by will of the people, rather than make it up as they go along.
    This guy certainly has his head screwed on straight. If only more people in power saw the issue like this.
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    from what i have heard and seen i kinda like thompson , but then i liked regan back when you shouldnt . I guess its wait and see right now tho as to just who will be there at the elections . Run or not , i think thompson will be a force that all will have to deal with .
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    Senator Thompson argues once again using cold hard facts. He doesn't need emotional appeals and all that nonsense that the anti's love. That's one of the reasons I like this guy so much.

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    Seen an article on Thompson that was on www.keepandbeararms.com Seem when he was in the Senate something like 30 bills came up that would affect us gun owners. Seems he only voted in the best interest of the gun owners 19 times. He might be better then the other leaders but with that record I wouldn't call him strong Pro Gun. The only one running that is really strong Pro Gun is Ron Paul
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    Right now, Fred Thompson is my only hope of having a reason to vote in the next election. I couldn't bring myself to vote for any other candidate that is currently running.

    I hope he jumps in and quits fooling around. i'm getting tired of waiting.
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    Every time I see even a hint of logic - I am relieved! Fred may not be perfect but what he says makes some sense. So much is gut emotion and hype so any logic is refreshing for me.

    Of course - priority would be Ron Paul for Prez ....... he is our staunchest ally.
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    Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Fred Thompson are all acceptable to me. If it's NOT one of them then I likely won't vote. For the first Presidential election cycle since 1975. I absolutely refuse to vote to cut my own throat. In fact if this immigration bill passes in it's current form with the GOP pushing it, I may well change my party affiliation from Republican to Independent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    I likely won't vote. For the first Presidential election cycle since 1975. I absolutely refuse to vote to cut my own throat. In fact if this immigration bill passes in it's current form with the GOP pushing it, I may well change my party affiliation from Republican to Independent.
    Mee too, and I have voted in every one since '88. I changed my party affiliation once before to R when Clinton was running for re-election.
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    Unfortunately during the debate on Fox News, Ron Paul came off like a crackpot and Rudy shut him down...hard.

    Ron Paul will not be considered a serious GOP candidate.

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    I really like Thompson. My problem is that I would vote for Thompson in a heartbeat but I really wonder if he wants to be president in light of what lurks in the future. You have the likes of Carter and the rest of the Democrat cabal ragging on Bush and they will anyone who is not a socialist. Is it worth it for a man of honor to put up with the crap of being in office today? Politics is a career for most Democrats they don't care about the country as long as they are in charge and can get all the perks of office and the money from other things like the things that made the Clintons so wealthy.
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    I am very disappointed in what I am reading here and hearing on the street. Abstaining from the voting process is why we are having these discussions in the first place! A lot of people abstained from voting last November and look what ensued. People sure taught the Republicans a lesson didn't they? It came at a hefty price though. I hope Thompson runs and runs to win. If he does not run, we need to find a suitable substitute. Hillary and her ilk will sink us for sure. If you think we will eventually win by letting the Dems ruin us, think again. If we don't collectively stand up and fight for what we have, we will lose and lose big - permanently. Once the millions of illegals are allowed to vote - and you know that's coming - do you really think the new "citizens" will vote for less government and fewer handouts? C'mon, be honest.

    If you don't vote for the lesser of two evils, you can take pride when you look in the mirror. You became part of the problem - apathy and protest. You all are fully aware of the stakes in every election. We are in a culture war with our collective futures hanging in the balance. Immigration, taxes, 2nd Amendment issues, high court appointments, terrorist's rights - the list is long.

    Are you prepared to roll over and give up? Do you [I]really want to look your children in their eyes and tell them that you are partly to blame for their being forced to accept (and learn in school) alternative lifestyles as normal? Are you prepared to admit you helped the United States disarm and abandon its heritage and security? Are you prepared to abandon your own religious beliefs in favor of Islam? It's already here in some school districts and, if left unchecked, will spread like a cancer across the nation.

    I agree the countercultural group is frustrating and the odds are against us. I do, however, believe there are a lot of people who are prepared to participate in the electoral process and defend our country and way of life. So before you brag about abstaining in future elections, look in the mirror and convince yourself you are ready to be part of the continuing problem.
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    Granted the Dems want to take our guns. Trouble is it is to the point where the Republicans aren't that much better. For how many years did they control everything In them years they did nothing for the gun owners. They wouldn't even pass a protection bill without two anti gun amendments.

    When it comes to gun control the Dem and the Republicans are like cops. Us gun owners to them are the criminals. All they do is play that good cop bad cop with us. Just like when you are arrested and questioned. Their is no difference. Both want to disarm you. The only difference is one wants to act like a friend as he disarms you

    Me I will vote the Constitution Party. Sorry I don't see when you refuse to vote for the lesser of the two evils that your part of the problem To me when people vote for the lesser that is the problem
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    Voting to make a point got us Clinton. I really don't care if the Republicans run a two toed sloth....I will be voting Republican. The stable of Democrats have NO ONE I want to see in office. Besides...letting a Democrat get in with a Democratic house and senate is going to be a huge fight for gun owners. Sorry if voting for the lesser of two evils doesn't seem right to many, but I don't think I can allow another "Clinton" mistake get in. I really hope Thompson announces he is in soon. I can SUPPORT him.
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    We need a man like Thompson to run for President.I hope he makes the run and steps up and takes the republican nomination.We need
    fresh faces and ideas.Democrats will bring tax and spend and redistribution of wealth.That's not for me!

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