This is a discussion on Response from MI rep about eliminating no carry zones within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by tvsjr Wrong tactic. Call him on it. Tell him you're interested in his perspective and would like to know what statistics he's ...
But it makes a fatally flawed assumption, and that is that the guy WANTS TO BOTHER with facts and truths.
The reason I say don't even try to convert him is because I firmly believe that anyone who would say what he said in his reply is a person who is steadfast and willfully disingenuous about this issue and will not allow his mind to be changed. Thus, you would be wasting your time. He'll only get more adamant and resolute, until such time as he puts on an act of being frustrated by you, pretends that you are the one being unreasonable, and shuts you out.
Come on, folks, we've seen this type. We know what they're like.
"It does not do to leave a dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him."
J. R. R. Tolkien
Think I'd write and tell him that you and a lot of your voting and gun owning friends just volunteered to be part of the campaign to elect "whoever" was running against him at the next election. I'd remind him that his personal opinion about guns shouldn't determine how he votes or what bills he backs; his constituents opinions are what count. He supposed to be a "servant of the public", not a lord and master as he seems to think he is. Too many of our elected representatives are starting to believe in "noblesse oblige" and are starting to think of us "serfs or peons" as not being able to decide or think for ourselves.
noli nothis permittere te terere...
Dear Mr Vagnozzi:
Thank you for your response. It is always nice to be characterized as criminal by my local representative.
Mr. "Forget about my vote and a contribution."
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
Truly superb observation K9 !!!Too many of our elected representatives are starting to believe in "noblesse oblige" and are starting to think of us "serfs or peons" as not being able to decide or think for ourselves.
Chris - P95
NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.
"To own a gun and assume that you are armed
is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."
http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.
I sent an email to Vagnozzi. That's the best I can do.Chuck.
Rude and ignorant people are everywhere. Steve48
Sent an e-mail to our Rep. Steve Bieda who sits on the Judiciary Committee a couple weeks ago asking for his support of this bill, or at least his opinion. Not even the courtesy of a response so far. I guess that in itself speaks volumes. Gotta just love these............nope, not gonna go there!
In all honesty, Michigan's "pistol free zones" are nearly identical to Florida's:1. Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian
2. Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.
3. Sports arena or stadium
4. A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises
5. Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons
6. An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more
7. A hospital
8. A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university
9. A Casino
"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above in 1 through 8.
"The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century