May 27th, 2007 09:01 PM
Response from MI rep about eliminating no carry zones
email my buddy sent:
May 19, 2007
Dear Mr. Vagnozzi:
I am writing you today to ask you to support the Bill that is trying to eliminate areas in Michigan where solid citizens with concealed pistol licenses are not welcome. The Bill is number 4759. Please remember that legal holders have jumped through many tight hoops to obtain their licenses. They simply just do not turn from good members of society to criminals because of a holster and pistol.
Please consider this and support Bill 4759. Thank you very much.
Farmington Hills, MI
Anyone aware of the birth of MI's "shall issue" law correlating to an increase in shootings? Time for more emails?
May 21, 2007
Dear Mr. Doe:
Thank you for taking the time to write me.
I will not support an expansion of the Concealed Weapons Law. We have too many guns available now which have resulted in the increase of shootings.
May 27th, 2007 09:05 PM
He failed to qualify that by adding the word ''criminal's" (guns) - and so obviously, like so many, fails to differentiate beteen gun owners at all.
We have too many guns available now which have resulted in the increase of shootings.
How closed minded and typical.
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May 27th, 2007 09:23 PM
typical loser make sure to email back thats fine i will not vote for you in the next election either
May 27th, 2007 10:33 PM
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May 28th, 2007 12:52 AM
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Don't waste your time trying to change this guy's mind or enlist his support for the cause. You're fighting a losing battle. His mind is made up, regardless of the facts.
Better to support his opponent in the next election and kick the Honorable Mr. Vagnozzi out of the Legislature.
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May 28th, 2007 01:38 AM
Actually, a better suggestion might be to thank him for his response, politely state that you are referring to law abiding citizens using guns for self-defense and then provide the link to the Ohio (?) representative who was in favor of gun control but has changed his mind since being robbed at gunpoint. If he reads the link you have politely planted seed that may germinate in the future. Don't send a link to the thread on this site, but the actual news link of the story about the change of mind.
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May 28th, 2007 05:38 AM
Afraid his a lost cause. He equates guns to crime, completely ignoring the fact that a BG has to be the one behind the trigger.
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May 28th, 2007 08:25 AM
To argue with or present facts is useless...VOTE!
Does this guy represent a college town area? Just a guess!
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May 28th, 2007 09:51 AM
I suppose you guys are right. Fighting this guy is a waste of energy. He certainly will be notified of his loss of votes. He also might get the link to the "robbed Rep" story.
May 28th, 2007 11:08 AM
I got a similar response on a letter from a Kansas rep. The response I got was very sarcastic and rude. The guy was a Republican. I forwarded his letter and a very passionate plea to the chairman of the Kansas Republican party, and he's looking for someone else to run in the primary.
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May 28th, 2007 11:18 AM
Wrong tactic. Call him on it. Tell him you're interested in his perspective and would like to know what statistics he's seen which point to CCW causing shootings. You'll get some song and dance, and he'll probably come up with some generalized statistics somewhere. Have your own verifiable statistics ready (which, more than likely, indicate that CCW holders are involved in significantly less violent crimes of any type). Hit him with that, see what he does. Try to catch him in a lie.
Originally Posted by LBrombach
If you can get it done, proceed to send the correspondance to the local newspapers, media outlets, etc. Post it all over the Internet. Make people see he's a liar.
Then vote him out of office next time around.
May 28th, 2007 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by tvsjr
Liars, cheaters & theives. These days, if you hold public office, you must proactively earn appellations to the contrary. Let him have it, with both "barrels": factual basis for concealed carriers being some of the most upstanding citizens, trends showing more-restrictive policies correlating to (typically) a higher per-capita incidence of violent crime, etc. If you get the ol' weaseling song-and-dance, make the exchange public.
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self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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May 28th, 2007 03:54 PM
I lived in Michigan for 30 years before moving to Florida several years ago, prior to the enactment of the "shall Issue" statute. Too many people worked too hard to get that statute passed, to let that guy off the hook. Please stay with it and follow up.
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May 28th, 2007 10:27 PM
I live in Michigan...
And what the other guy said give him a call and send him a link to the Michigan State police site, their data would seem to refute his opinion.
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May 29th, 2007 02:59 AM
100% correct. He is a lost cause; that is evident by how utterly STUPID one would have to be to reply with what he said. As though so much of the violent crime he's citing is done by permit holders?! Yeah, right. That just clearly exposes his obvious bias against guns regardless of any facts.
Originally Posted by Captain Crunch
You would be wasting your time trying to change his way of thinking (I use the term "thinking" very loosely). Better off supporting his opponent(s).
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