Brady's website disgusting

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    Brady's website disgusting

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/

    Wow they actually have a cartoon of a guy crossing out the First part of the second Amendment trying to show I guess that we think that part doesn't exist about the well regulated militia? I guess there trying to argue that its only for militias.


    What I think is hillarious is the fact that right below the cartoon there sits the title. "BILL OF RIGHTS" WHAT PART OF BILL OF RIGHTS DOSN'T MAKE SENSE.
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    I think what someone needs to do is go around the streets and interview gang members and thugs briefly, and ask them all how they got their guns. Then ask them all the same question: "Would you be better off crime-wise if they banned guns, and would you give yours up? Do you think it would be harder to obtain a gun if they were banned? And finally, if you were going to do a crime and didn't have a gun, would that prevent you from doing it?"

    Of course, we'd get all the right answers, and then someone over at the Brady campaign would start talking about regulating giving birth, because birth = gangsters, just like gun = crime.

    Feel my sarcasm here?

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    That cartoon is wrong on SO many levels.
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    That material leaves me in danger of losing my breakfast


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    I just love the section on how "guns" murdered all those people. I've never heard of a court case where a gun was tried, much less convicted of murder. I don't believe inanimate objects can be held accountable for the actions of people. Or else we'd cars convicted of vehicular homicide. Just ludicrous.
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    our US guns don't commit that many more "murders" than other countries

    Everything on the Brady website is misleading, no one should be surprised by this cartoon. The fact that they've switched to doodles to make their points instead of facts is what I take from this.

    For instance, a bit further down and on the right of that very same page you can download a poster telling how many more people were "murdered by guns" (whatever that means) in the US than in other
    countries (just noticed by redc13). What they don't mention in their poster is that all other countries listed there have populations about one tenth of that of the US population at most. In fact, the numbers
    are quite close:


    "Murders committed by guns" (?):
    New Zealand - 5
    Sweden - 37
    Australia - 56
    United Kingdom - 73
    Canada - 184
    United States - 11,344

    (source: Brady Campaign (!), bradycampaign.org)


    Populations (est 2007):
    New Zealand — Population: 4,115,771
    Sweden — Population: 9,031,088
    Australia — Population: 20,434,176
    United Kingdom — Population: 60,776,238
    Canada — Population: 33,390,141
    United States — Population: 301,139,947

    (source: CIA, www.cia.gov; google "population of ...")


    Approximate "Murders per capita" (2004):
    New Zealand - 5/4,115,771 = .00000121
    Sweden - 37/9,031,088 = .00000410
    Australia - 56/20,434,176 = .00000274
    United Kingdom - 73/60,776,238 = .00000120
    Canada - 184/33,390,141 = .00000551
    United States - 11,344/301,139,947 = .0000377

    (source: elementary school math class, division)


    Lined up nicely for comparison:
    .00000121
    .00000410
    .00000274
    .00000120
    .00000551
    .0000377

    These are much closer than the poster on their website leads you to believe, but the US is still a bit higher. Remember we are using the Brady numbers (obviously squeezed for every "murder" possible for the US and downplaying those of the other countries) and making the comparison using the countries chosen by the Brady's, so we can assume this is their "best case scenario."

    Hardly conclusive, wouldn't you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teagle View Post
    Everything on the Brady website is misleading, no one should be surprised by this cartoon.
    Isn't that the truth!

    I went here a couple of months ago to "know my enemy" and I couldn't stay long. Their filth and lies and misleading words and loose facts are sickening much less maddening and frustrating.

    Good use of math and reason, however, too bad not everyone can do elementary division.

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    Now I have to purge my temp internet files to get the lies and twists off my computer...

    Seriously though, we believe their stuff just as much as they believe ours. The only people that are willing to convert are the ones that put emotion aside and actually look at the solid facts.
    eschew obfuscation

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    Not to mention the fact that with the exception of England. There are places in our country were guns are Completey banned. IE DC I don't considered a bolt action rifle with a cable lock through the action, bolt removed, ammuntion placed in another room, and single shot being of the .22-30 Caliber size adequeate to say yes we allow guns in our city there for we have no type of gun control. (for NOW HEheHEHEHEHE) and New York. Forget about self defense in those places.


    Quote Originally Posted by teagle View Post
    Everything on the Brady website is misleading, no one should be surprised by this cartoon. The fact that they've switched to doodles to make their points instead of facts is what I take from this.

    For instance, a bit further down and on the right of that very same page you can download a poster telling how many more people were "murdered by guns" (whatever that means) in the US than in other
    countries (just noticed by redc13). What they don't mention in their poster is that all other countries listed there have populations about one tenth of that of the US population at most. In fact, the numbers
    are quite close:


    "Murders committed by guns" (?):
    New Zealand - 5
    Sweden - 37
    Australia - 56
    United Kingdom - 73
    Canada - 184
    United States - 11,344

    (source: Brady Campaign (!), bradycampaign.org)


    Populations (est 2007):
    New Zealand — Population: 4,115,771
    Sweden — Population: 9,031,088
    Australia — Population: 20,434,176
    United Kingdom — Population: 60,776,238
    Canada — Population: 33,390,141
    United States — Population: 301,139,947

    (source: CIA, www.cia.gov; google "population of ...")


    Approximate "Murders per capita" (2004):
    New Zealand - 5/4,115,771 = .00000121
    Sweden - 37/9,031,088 = .00000410
    Australia - 56/20,434,176 = .00000274
    United Kingdom - 73/60,776,238 = .00000120
    Canada - 184/33,390,141 = .00000551
    United States - 11,344/301,139,947 = .0000377

    (source: elementary school math class, division)


    Lined up nicely for comparison:
    .00000121
    .00000410
    .00000274
    .00000120
    .00000551
    .0000377

    These are much closer than the poster on their website leads you to believe, but the US is still a bit higher. Remember we are using the Brady numbers (obviously squeezed for every "murder" possible for the US and downplaying those of the other countries) and making the comparison using the countries chosen by the Brady's, so we can assume this is their "best case scenario."

    Hardly conclusive, wouldn't you say?
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    Brady used to brief her folks who were going to be doing TV debates on gun control. She told them that if they got backed into a corner to call the pro-gunner a racist.

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    Teagle,

    To add to that fact when you do compare the amount of firearm related crimes across said countries on an apple to apples basis per populace (capita) you then find that oops those other countries have rates that are greater and _worse_ than the US.

    "Total crimes per capita"
    #1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
    #2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
    #3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
    #4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
    #5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
    #6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
    #7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
    #8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
    #9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
    #10 South Africa: 77.1862 per 1,000 people
    #11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
    #12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people
    #13 Norway: 71.8639 per 1,000 people
    #14 France: 62.1843 per 1,000 people

    DEFINITION: Note: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population.

    SOURCE: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...mes-per-capita
    The Brady people are wrong.
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    I hate their site. If you look at it, it is sooooo biased (obviously). But, if one didn't know better, then they would take the 'facts' as truth instead of reading between the lines and believe the twisted use of statistics. Anyone who knows a lick about stats can look through that crap and realized that is what lying with statistics is all about.
    Did you guys see the part about college student gun owners being more likely to use drugs, binge drink, ect than "average students? ***? Where did those stats come from?!
    Even if that were true, that does not take into account third variables that have nothing to do with gun ownership! Grrr....
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    None of those numbers include non-handgun related violent crime.

    Damn it someone beat me to it.
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...mes-per-capita
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    A couple of months ago somebody here recommended going to the Brady site and participating in a poll, you know to add "our" view to the results. Since then I am CONTINUOUSLY spammed from them. It is to the point I can almost justify changing my email address!
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