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    Just my opinion that RFID tags - if not already obsolete technology will be soon and probably within the next 5 years at the rate things are progressing.

    Facial Recognition using the external features of the face is already nearly obsolete.

    Mapping the highly individual human face "hot & cold" patterns that lay underneath the skin of the face is THE recognition technology of today and the future.

    Even the respective underlying face patterns of identical twins are as different as night and day. The patterns are as unique and individual as fingerprints. I saw it myself or I would not have believed it.

    It is already being done remotely and once your face pattern is tied in with a national data base - people will be "mapped and identified" from a remote location (the technology already exists and it is workable) and they won't even know that their face is being scanned.

    You'll be standing in line at the airport or the bank and they will know everything about you if they care to look.

    Sorry but, if if you think RFID tags are a threat and you're making your mind up that NOBODY will implant any device that is "invasive" under your skin...you're chasing after an already extinct dinosaur.

    RFID will be reserved for your lost pet cat and dog.

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    (sarcasm alert) : Are you guys trying to make me paranoid???, becuase it's not working,....so just stop......OK?(sacrcasm off)

    Heck, our government can't even find BinLaden, so I aint too worried at this point.
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    Hmmmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by sgtD View Post
    (sarcasm alert) : Are you guys trying to make me paranoid???, becuase it's not working,....so just stop......OK?(sacrcasm off)

    Heck, our government can't even find BinLaden, so I aint too worried at this point.
    How do you know? Certain talking heads have long posited that we've had him for a couple of years in a deep prison so "the NEXT President" can trot him out right before election day and be assured of a win for the party!

    The question really isn't whether or not you're paranoid. It's: Are you paranoid ENOUGH?

    But your comment reminds me of the kinds of things a brand new teacher says to some thug in his classroom (usually they put the new pups next to me, so I can keep the lid on ~sigh~) BUT the soft liberal teacher will BLUSTER to the THUG: YOU DON'T SCARE ME! They always say this when they're terrified. Kids know it, too. Those kids smell fear better than a Doberman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    The question really isn't whether or not you're paranoid. It's: Are you paranoid ENOUGH?

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    I do try to be prepared, but I do it in more of a dutiful way, than a fearful or paranoid way. I want to be prepared to care for those I love in an emergency, and even to protect my homeland if I am forced to do so.

    I will do whatever I can to defend me and mine and to help others do the same, but in the end, someone with a much higher authority is in charge and I'm gonna stay on his side, even if that means I'm mentally ill by some people's standards.

    It worked for Gideon.
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    Wink Kidding....

    Quote Originally Posted by sgtD View Post
    I do try to be prepared, but I do it in more of a dutiful way, than a fearful or paranoid way. I want to be prepared to care for those I love in an emergency, and even to protect my homeland if I am forced to do so.

    I will do whatever I can to defend me and mine and to help others do the same, but in the end, someone with a much higher authority is in charge and I'm gonna stay on his side, even if that means I'm mentally ill by some people's standards.

    It worked for Gideon.
    Hey Sarge...I was kidding.... you DO know that...right? 'Cause I am a mental case by the standards of my "peers" in the school system. The kids think so, too. I think that's one reason I've never been assaulted like so many others have at that school.

    I remember one day a long time ago at another school (middle school where liberals are REALLY soft and timid) back during the Clinton regime and pre Y2K when militias were all the rage? I was sitting in the teacher's lunch room, ignoring some snide comments about conservatives and the military (they KNEW I was a captain of infantry in the reserves back then) when one of them addressed me directly:
    Are you a member of a militia?
    So I replied....I paused and looked at them....and said: Naaaaaaw. But it's not because I don't believe in the things THEY believe in....it's because they can't TEACH me anything new! I never saw a group of teachers finish lunch so fast in all my life.
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    Now why have you guys gone and got me to puttin' on my tinfoil hat?

    I didn't even have one, so I had to go and try to make one up from the Mrs.'s cooking stuff in the kitchen.

    And guys, it ain't easy, but I think I have a keeper.

    Nope...I used Reynolds Wrap. It's aluminum foil, not tin.

    I guess I'll just go to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Hey Sarge...I was kidding.... you DO know that...right?
    Yeah, I know. I don't think you're crazy either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randytulsa2 View Post
    Now why have you guys gone and got me to puttin' on my tinfoil hat?

    I didn't even have one, so I had to go and try to make one up from the Mrs.'s cooking stuff in the kitchen.

    And guys, it ain't easy, but I think I have a keeper.

    Nope...I used Reynolds Wrap. It's aluminum foil, not tin.

    I guess I'll just go to bed.
    I'm not very artistically inclined. Could you make one up and mail it to me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Just my opinion that RFID tags - if not already obsolete technology will be soon and probably within the next 5 years at the rate things are progressing.

    Facial Recognition using the external features of the face is already nearly obsolete.

    Mapping the highly individual human face "hot & cold" patterns that lay underneath the skin of the face is THE recognition technology of today and the future.

    Even the respective underlying face patterns of identical twins are as different as night and day. The patterns are as unique and individual as fingerprints. I saw it myself or I would not have believed it.

    It is already being done remotely and once your face pattern is tied in with a national data base - people will be "mapped and identified" from a remote location (the technology already exists and it is workable) and they won't even know that their face is being scanned.

    You'll be standing in line at the airport or the bank and they will know everything about you if they care to look.

    Sorry but, if if you think RFID tags are a threat and you're making your mind up that NOBODY will implant any device that is "invasive" under your skin...you're chasing after an already extinct dinosaur.

    RFID will be reserved for your lost pet cat and dog.
    Actually, I was thinking that RFIDs will have a minor role in a "future" society as a means to purchase goods. Think of it, a RFID chip is implanted (voluntarily) in your skin and there's no more need to carry cash or a check. You go to the store. Put goods in your cart. As you put each item in your cart, the chip interfaces with the stores reader and that amount is autmoatically deducted from your account. This happens for EVERY purchase from Wally world to Burger King. Just think: No more street crime. No more cash. No more white collar crime....no more anonymous transactions. What could be better?

    Could it be a BAD thing? Well, let's see....Hmmmmm Hey, if the government wanted to PREVENT you from making any purchases....anywhere in the world....all they would have to do is enter your chip code into the global database...

    Of course that wouldn't stop all commerce. I'm sure an underground economy would spring up around folks shut off from the system. But it's something to contemplate while we consider the ramifications of a national ID card...right? Naaaaaah Tinfoil Hat stuff. Besides that's just a footnote to that really kewl "face pattern" technology. What will they come up with next. Gee I can hardly wait!
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    Sounds like a combination of Asimov's pschyohistory and Brave New World's class system.

    With all the new technology, no matter what it's RFID or something else, we as a people are going to have to be very careful that those who crave power do not abuse it to our detriment. Unfortunately we may go through a period of darkness before we get all of this figured out. Hopefully not.
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    l read these posts and it confirms to me the respect l have for the members here.Also it underscores the fact that the liberals and others really don't have a clue to who and what we are. What really makes me crazy though is the way they ignore the 6/7 thousand people a day crossing or border daily unimpeeded .while the lib's and homeland security worry about us.Yet as a lowly truck driver l pay the HSD $100 to investigate me and keep my CDL current . go figure!
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    all kidding aside, I'm probably absolutly insane if they tested me. That is where they draw the line. They are saying that we no longer have the right to make the distinction between right and wrong, and if we do then they say we are wrong.

    lets just hope they don't try forcing the chip on us because I know more than a few people who would take that as a call to arms... It would get very ugly very quickly.
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    Exclamation More Fuel For The Rfid Fire

    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Just my opinion that RFID tags - if not already obsolete technology will be soon and probably within the next 5 years at the rate things are progressing.

    Facial Recognition using the external features of the face is already nearly obsolete.

    Mapping the highly individual human face "hot & cold" patterns that lay underneath the skin of the face is THE recognition technology of today and the future.

    Even the respective underlying face patterns of identical twins are as different as night and day. The patterns are as unique and individual as fingerprints. I saw it myself or I would not have believed it.

    It is already being done remotely and once your face pattern is tied in with a national data base - people will be "mapped and identified" from a remote location (the technology already exists and it is workable) and they won't even know that their face is being scanned.

    You'll be standing in line at the airport or the bank and they will know everything about you if they care to look.

    Sorry but, if if you think RFID tags are a threat and you're making your mind up that NOBODY will implant any device that is "invasive" under your skin...you're chasing after an already extinct dinosaur.

    RFID will be reserved for your lost pet cat and dog.
    Doctors back plan to store medical info under your skin
    Tue Jun 26, 9:38 AM ET
    Doctors could soon be storing essential medical information under the skin of their patients, the American Medical Association says.

    Devices the size of a grain of rice that are implanted with a needle could give emergency room doctors quick access to the records of chronically ill patients, the nation's largest doctors group said in a report.

    The association adopted a policy Monday stating that the devices can improve the "safety and efficiency of patient care" by helping to identify patients and enabling secure access to clinical information.

    These radio frequency identification tags (RFIDs) are already used by Wal-Mart and other businesses to speed up their shipping systems by sending out small signals that can be scanned more easily than bar codes.

    Implanting them in people "can improve the continuity and coordination of care with resulting reductions in adverse drug events and other medical errors," said the report prepared by the association's ethics committee.

    But the devices "also may pose some physical risks, compromise patient privacy, or present other social hazards."

    The main concern is protecting the privacy of the information stored on the devices.

    There are also health concerns.

    While the devices are removable and designed to stay in place, their small size could allow them to move to other parts of a person's body.

    They may also cause interference with electrical devices like defibrillators and it has not been determined what impact they would have on prescription drugs.

    The report concluded that it is "likely that utilization of RFID devices for medical purposes will expand."

    The US Food and Drug Administration has so far only approved "passive" tags for human implantation which cannot be altered once inserted and have a limited capacity and transmission range.

    The devices are also only allowed to contain a unique identification code in order to protect patient privacy.

    The FDA may eventually approve "active" devices which contain internal batteries and can be updated as a patient's condition changes.

    The association warned of "potential social consequences" such as using the devices for surveillance which could be an infringement on individual liberties.

    It recommended that the devices not be implanted without the informed consent of patients and that doctors monitor their use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Actually, I was thinking that RFIDs will have a minor role in a "future" society as a means to purchase goods. Think of it, a RFID chip is implanted (voluntarily) in your skin and there's no more need to carry cash or a check. You go to the store. Put goods in your cart. As you put each item in your cart, the chip interfaces with the stores reader and that amount is autmoatically deducted from your account. This happens for EVERY purchase from Wally world to Burger King. Just think: No more street crime. No more cash. No more white collar crime....no more anonymous transactions. What could be better?

    Could it be a BAD thing? Well, let's see....Hmmmmm Hey, if the government wanted to PREVENT you from making any purchases....anywhere in the world....all they would have to do is enter your chip code into the global database...

    Of course that wouldn't stop all commerce. I'm sure an underground economy would spring up around folks shut off from the system. But it's something to contemplate while we consider the ramifications of a national ID card...right? Naaaaaah Tinfoil Hat stuff. Besides that's just a footnote to that really kewl "face pattern" technology. What will they come up with next. Gee I can hardly wait!
    The other bad thing could be that BGs will cut off the part of your body that houses the RFID instead of stealing your credit cards! I think there was a movie where a disembodied eye was used to defeat a retinal scan security device. Of coure, if the ID encompasses biometric data, their technique might be to simply lobotomize the victim. Then they'd have alll the purchasing power with no resistance.

    Egad, why do I think of this stuff . . . sheesh!
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    Cool Stallone and Snipes

    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    I think there was a movie where a disembodied eye was used to defeat a retinal scan security device. Egad, why do I think of this stuff . . . sheesh!
    That would be Demolition Man with Stallone as the good guy and Snipes as the REAL Bad Dude!

    To get out of the jail facility the bad guy dug the wardens eyeball from the socket and put it atop a PEN to hold for the scanner.

    The code was Murder Death Kill and there were fines for public cussing. Good flick, overall.
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