July 12th, 2007 11:34 PM
Efforts to Open Gun-Purchase Records Fail in House Committee
Thursday, July 12, 2007
WASHINGTON Pro-gun rights Democrats teamed with House Republicans on Thursday to block local governments and law enforcement agencies from gaining routine access to gun-purchasing data.
The House Appropriations Committee defeated two attempts by gun control advocates to strip four-year-old restrictions on the use of information from Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives tracing gun sales. The votes were a victory for the National Rifle Association and came despite the Democratic takeover of Congress in January.
The committee's emotional debate often focused on broader gun rights issues rather than the matter at hand, involving when the bureau can share such information.
Gun control advocates say the gun sales data is essential to uncovering dealers who sell guns that disproportionately end up in the hands of criminals.
Gun rights advocates, led by Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., said mayors such as New York City's Michael Bloomberg want the data to sue out-of-state gun dealers.
Tiahrt, the key sponsor of the restrictions on sharing gun trace data, also said easing the restrictions could lead to the disclosure of police officers' identities and other details to criminals.
"What the Tiahrt amendment does is protect those who protect us," Tiahrt said.
Pro-gun advocates say the data-sharing restrictions protect gun owners' privacy. But Bloomberg and other mayors contend they hamper law enforcement authorities' ability to trace illegal guns and arrest weapons traffickers.
"This handcuffs the cops, not the criminals," said Rep. C.A. "Dutch" Ruppersberger, D-Md.
More than a dozen Democrats, most from rural districts, joined with all but two committee Republicans to defeat a bid by Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., to ease the data sharing restrictions but ensure that police officers' names would not be compromised.
Earlier, a bid by Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va., to reject Tiahrt's language altogether lost by a voice vote.
The mayors say gun tracing data helps police departments determine the source of illegal guns, who buys them and how they are distributed.
Almost three-fifths of guns used in crimes are sold by just 1 percent of gun dealers, who forge relationship with gun traffickers making multiple purchases.
Under Bloomberg, who recently left the GOP amid speculation he may run for president as an independent, the city has sued out-of-state gun dealers in an attempt to reduce the flow of illegal guns into New York. The NRA-backed restrictions block cities from getting ATF data for such suits.
The committee chairman, Rep. David Obey a liberal Democrat representing a rural Wisconsin district said the issue was only marginally related to gun rights. He opposed the efforts to ease the data restrictions.
But Obey lashed out at both the NRA, which failed to endorse him in his most recent race despite his pro-gun rights record, and Bloomberg. He said the mayor's representatives came to his office and threatened to run television ads attacking him.
The votes came as the committee approved a $53.6 billion bill for the departments of Commerce and Justice, as well as NASA and science programs."
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliott
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
July 13th, 2007 08:18 AM
Sweeeeeet, I didn't think it had much of a chance,
I guess Blumburg still won't get it, that no one likes him or his ideas.
"fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]
If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand
July 13th, 2007 08:35 AM
Some good news for a change. Glad to hear it.
When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.
July 13th, 2007 08:40 AM
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC
July 13th, 2007 08:45 AM
Liars, cheaters & thieves. Much protection is needed against them. Domestic "black ops" are popular tools of governments in the subversion of the rights of its People. Whatever can be done to retain as much transparency as possible is a good thing. Glad that a few others recognize this as well.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos)
NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.
July 13th, 2007 08:59 AM
You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic.
― Robert A. Heinlein,
July 13th, 2007 10:42 AM
July 13th, 2007 09:10 PM
"May God have mercy on my enemies, because I won't."
General George Patton
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