Sen Biden & Dem Debate...
This is a discussion on Sen Biden & Dem Debate... within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by vernonator
I hope that I don't offend anyone with this but.....If ANYONE who owns a firearm and votes for ANY of the ...
July 24th, 2007 03:11 PM
Eh, Richardson has a pretty good gun record. I'm not voting for him, but let's be honest here. He's more gun friendly than a lot of Repubs.
Originally Posted by vernonator
I saw the clip last night on the news. I'm in California at Networkers and they said it was "unsettling." I had a good long laugh.
...He suggested that "every American citizen" should own a rifle and train with it on firing ranges "at every courthouse." -Chesty Puller
July 24th, 2007 03:29 PM
Biden ignored the main point of the guy's video, which was presented in the abstract: "Mr. Biden, what can we gun owners expect of you if you're elected, given that we have these guns ("babies") that we care about being able to legally own?"
The man presented it with IRONY which was lost on Biden. Rather that understand the point, which was a poke at the idea of doing things "for the children," Biden decided to deride the man as though he really thinks that gun is his "baby." It was much easier for Biden to go for the character assassination than to come right out and say, "I want the government to confiscate such guns from you, (with or without the flash suppressor)."
July 24th, 2007 03:33 PM
But the American left is so far gone that they don't value those traditional American things anymore. So it's not a hard choice, for them.
Originally Posted by portsider44
July 24th, 2007 03:34 PM
July 25th, 2007 01:43 AM
Of course he was an anti gun setup. I felt like throwing something at the TV.
Originally Posted by tabsr
July 25th, 2007 04:32 AM
The guy with the AR-15 could be credible as either an anti-gun setup OR a true gun defender. How could anyone know? What he asked was straightforward; though I took his methodology to be a swipe at the anti-gun "for-the-children" mantra. It works with me, but could backfire with others. But then, you're not gonna convert antis with a 28 second sound byte anyway. I thought that segment served more as a notice: we're here, we value our gun rights, just as much as you value "the children" not that doing both of those is mutually exclusive. We value our guns because we value innocent lives. Duh! But leftists like the politicians arrayed there, and other antis, will never get it.
July 25th, 2007 07:47 PM
Here's what Michelle Malkin had to say about the situation:
The Smirk from Delaware & the Second Amendment
A Democratic gun-owner-bashing YouTube moment.
By Michelle Malkin
Sen. Joe Biden is the embodiment of snide. Snide is the embodiment of the left-wing attitude toward gun owners. So when snide Joe Biden confronted a YouTube user who asked Democrat presidential candidates about gun control during a debate Monday night, what unfolded was a Teachable YouTube Moment — the caught-on-tape embodiment of ideological snideness toward the Second Amendment and those who defend it.
“Good evening, America. My name is Jered Townsend from Clio, Michigan,” the YouTube citizen questioner began. “To all the candidates, tell me your position on gun control, as myself and other Americans really want to know if our babies are safe.” Townsend then pulled out his Bushmaster AR-15. “This is my ‘baby,’ purchased under the 1994 gun ban. Please tell me your views. Thank you.”
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson was asked to respond first. CNN host Anderson Cooper noted that Richardson has “one of the highest NRA ratings.” Richardson ran so fast from his record, you could see the Road Runner puff of cartoon smoke billowing at the base of his podium. “The issue here, I believe, is instant background checks,” he sputtered. “Nobody who has a criminal background or is mentally ill should be able to get a weapon.” Richardson babbled for a few more painful seconds about “attacking poverty, bringing people together, dealing with those kids in the ghettos that are heavy users of gun violence,” while the liberals in the audience sat stone-cold silent.
Not a peep from Richardson about the fundamental right to self-defense, of course.
Cooper rescued Richardson by turning to The Smirk from Delaware. “Senator Biden, are you going to be able to keep his ‘baby’ safe?” Snide Joe grabbed his opening: “I’ll tell you what, if that is his baby, he needs help.”
Biden threw red meat to the blue audience. He was richly rewarded with loud applause. Biden showed off his lawyerly credentials and continued to wallop the YouTube gun owner: “I think he just made an admission against self-interest. I don’t know that he is mentally qualified to own that gun.” Why? Because he showed affection for his possession? Because he’s an enthusiastic hobbyist? Because he talked about his gun the way Paris Hilton talks about her Chihuahua or Brad Pitt talks about his Ducati or Al Gore talks about his Priuses and compact fluorescent light bulbs?
The audience roared with laughter at Biden’s mockery of the gun owner’s mental health. So much for politically correct sensitivity toward the mentally ill, eh? “I’m being serious,” Biden chuckled. “Look, we should be working with law enforcement, right now, to make sure that we protect people against people who don’t — are not capable of knowing what to do with a gun because they’re either mentally imbalanced and/or because they have a criminal record, and . . . “
Cooper interrupted Biden’s rant, but he stuck in one more jibe at Jered Townsend, the YouTube gun owner. “I hope he doesn’t come looking for me.” More laughter.
Did any of the other candidates pipe up to defend the gun owner? Not a one. Biden’s snark and smarm spoke for them. The Democrats remain the party of gun-grabbers. Its leading presidential candidates view gun-owners as crackpots and nutballs, and treat the Second Amendment as a nuisance to be circumvented and cured. Big Nanny, not bedrock constitutional principle, rules.
The Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot by taking arrogant potshots at gun owners in a nationally televised debate. A recent Gallup Poll showed that roughly one in three Americans who live in the Midwest and South owns a gun; 27 percent of independents and 23 percent of Democrats identify themselves as gun owners. A majority use their weapons for crime prevention. Who in the Democrat Party speaks for them? Are the majority of women gun owners who own a gun for self-defense “mentally imbalanced,” too?
The Dems can enjoy Biden’s YouTube-able wisecracking now. But come general election time, it may be Second Amendment defenders who get the last laugh.
Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; NRA Endowment Life; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.
September 7th, 2007 02:33 AM
you know I also hold a spot in my heart for my guns. I'm not a psychopath or mentally imbalanced, I simply hold a sentimental value to my firearms. There is a backup video to this where the gun owner invites biden out to go shooting with him so he could understand this way of life. It wasn't a setup this guy is serious he likes his guns. and so what, don't all of us?
do what you can with what you have where you are at (theodore roosevelt)
September 7th, 2007 06:55 AM
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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NRA Life Member
September 7th, 2007 04:16 PM
The guy is legit!
Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey
Ruger LC9 (when the girlfriend lets me carry her gun) "First Duty is To Remember"
September 7th, 2007 04:58 PM
Good for him! I'm glad he posted a follow-up.
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