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San Francisco anti-gun crowd at it again. MERGED

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    We strengthened gun control, but it doesn't matter

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    SAN FRANCISCO
    Supervisors approve tough gun measure

    Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Staff Writer

    Wednesday, July 25, 2007

    San Francisco's already tough laws on firearms will get even stronger -- becoming some of the most restrictive in the country -- after a vote at City Hall Tuesday. But even new restrictions won't do much to stop the gun violence escalating on city streets, one sponsor of the new laws said after the vote.

    The violence that has been generally confined to more crime-plagued neighborhoods crossed into a major tourist area Monday afternoon, with a shooting that left one person dead and put bullet holes through the front window of a popular restaurant.

    Gun-related homicides, injuries from shootings, and gun crimes in and around schools are becoming increasingly common, according to the Mayor's Office of Criminal Justice.

    The laws -- which gained final approval from the Board of Supervisors -- would restrict both the sale and possession of firearms.

    Specifically, they would prohibit the possession or sale of firearms on city property, require firearms in residences to be in a locked container or have trigger locks and require firearm dealers to submit an inventory to the chief of police every six months.

    The last provision is intended to allow city officials to know how many guns are sold, though there is only one gun shop in the city.

    "We're pleased that, as soon as the mayor signs this, San Francisco has the strongest anti-gun laws in the nation," said Nathan Ballard, spokesman for Mayor Gavin Newsom. (Not. Did you forget about DC and Chicago?) The mayor sponsored the legislation, along with Supervisors Sophie Maxwell and Ross Mirkarimi.

    Despite the laws, however, Mirkarimi said he doubts they will quell the kind of violence that erupted on Monday afternoon, which police suspect may be tied to a feud between a San Francisco gang and an East Bay gang.

    The shooting happened at the corner of Ellis and Cyril Magnin streets, across from the Hilton hotel and near the Powell Street cable car turnaround.

    "Nobody should be surprised about the migration and proliferation of gun violence in San Francisco," Mirkarimi said. "We've been saying this for two-and-a-half years, that the murders, homicides and gun violence that have been occurring in the more routine areas ... have now migrated into other areas."

    The number of shootings resulting in nonfatal injuries continues to rise, with 269 such incidents in 2005 and 303 in 2006. As of May 10 of this year, there were 105.

    Supervisor Maxwell said the new restrictions, which passed 8-3, are separate issues from the violence in the streets. Supervisors Aaron Peskin, Chris Daly and Ed Jew voted "no."

    While the mayor has praised these new restrictions, he only expressed tepid support for Proposition H in 2005, which would have required gun owners to surrender their weapons to police and would have made it illegal to buy and sell firearms and ammunition in the city.

    Voters passed the proposition with 58 percent in favor, but it is tied up in court after the National Rifle Association challenged its constitutionality. Newsom said the vote amounted to a "public opinion poll."

    The gun owners association did not return a call for comment on the new restrictions Tuesday afternoon.

    Peskin said he didn't support the laws because he believes they will have no impact.

    "It is silly feel-good legislation with no teeth," Peskin said.

    Daly has questioned Newsom's commitment to gun control, noting that the mayor wasn't a strong backer of Prop. H, which Daly sponsored.

    Jew said sufficient laws already are in place and he questioned the further use of city resources on the issue in the wake of challenges to Prop.
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    San Francisco anti-gun crowd at it again. MERGED

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    SAN FRANCISCO
    Supervisors approve tough gun measure
    Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Staff Writer
    Wednesday, July 25, 2007

    San Francisco's already tough laws on firearms will get even stronger -- becoming some of the most restrictive in the country -- after a vote at City Hall Tuesday. But even new restrictions won't do much to stop the gun violence escalating on city streets, one sponsor of the new laws said after the vote.

    The violence that has been generally confined to more crime-plagued neighborhoods crossed into a major tourist area Monday afternoon, with a shooting that left one person dead and put bullet holes through the front window of a popular restaurant.

    Gun-related homicides, injuries from shootings, and gun crimes in and around schools are becoming increasingly common, according to the Mayor's Office of Criminal Justice.

    The laws -- which gained final approval from the Board of Supervisors -- would restrict both the sale and possession of firearms.

    Specifically, they would prohibit the possession or sale of firearms on city property, require firearms in residences to be in a locked container or have trigger locks and require firearm dealers to submit an inventory to the chief of police every six months.

    The last provision is intended to allow city officials to know how many guns are sold, though there is only one gun shop in the city.

    "We're pleased that, as soon as the mayor signs this, San Francisco has the strongest anti-gun laws in the nation," said Nathan Ballard, spokesman for Mayor Gavin Newsom. The mayor sponsored the legislation, along with Supervisors Sophie Maxwell and Ross Mirkarimi.

    Despite the laws, however, Mirkarimi said he doubts they will quell the kind of violence that erupted on Monday afternoon, which police suspect may be tied to a feud between a San Francisco gang and an East Bay gang.

    The shooting happened at the corner of Ellis and Cyril Magnin streets, across from the Hilton hotel and near the Powell Street cable car turnaround.

    "Nobody should be surprised about the migration and proliferation of gun violence in San Francisco," Mirkarimi said. "We've been saying this for two-and-a-half years, that the murders, homicides and gun violence that have been occurring in the more routine areas ... have now migrated into other areas."

    The number of shootings resulting in nonfatal injuries continues to rise, with 269 such incidents in 2005 and 303 in 2006. As of May 10 of this year, there were 105.

    Supervisor Maxwell said the new restrictions, which passed 8-3, are separate issues from the violence in the streets. Supervisors Aaron Peskin, Chris Daly and Ed Jew voted "no."

    While the mayor has praised these new restrictions, he only expressed tepid support for Proposition H in 2005, which would have required gun owners to surrender their weapons to police and would have made it illegal to buy and sell firearms and ammunition in the city.

    Voters passed the proposition with 58 percent in favor, but it is tied up in court after the National Rifle Association challenged its constitutionality. Newsom said the vote amounted to a "public opinion poll."

    The gun owners association did not return a call for comment on the new restrictions Tuesday afternoon.

    Peskin said he didn't support the laws because he believes they will have no impact.

    "It is silly feel-good legislation with no teeth," Peskin said.

    Daly has questioned Newsom's commitment to gun control, noting that the mayor wasn't a strong backer of Prop. H, which Daly sponsored.

    Jew said sufficient laws already are in place and he questioned the further use of city resources on the issue in the wake of challenges to Prop. H.

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    Sounds like SF is trying to take over for DC.

    As if I needed one more reason never to set foot in that city.
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    "It is silly feel-good legislation with no teeth," Peskin said.
    That about sums it up.

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    The truly sad part is.....when they realize that these laws didn't help.....they'll add MORE LAWS!
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    Yes, lets make the already super thick law books even thicker with more useless laws that criminals don't obey in the first place.
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    Hmmm....all of those guns lurking and shooting innocents with a vengence--I wonder if anyone was around to stop these guns from shooting? Because I didn't know guns could read--so I hope someone tells the guns they are not welcome in SF.

    Can't we expand the SF bay and put it underwater? Or make some beachfront property in Nevada and Arizona? I can't believe these people breed.

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    Peskin said he didn't support the laws because he believes they will have no impact.

    "It is silly feel-good legislation with no teeth," Peskin said.
    Another agreement with that. ''Feelgood'' is about all these extra laws generate because anyone with any sense should see they will not have any impact on the bad guys.

    As ever, all the draconian rules simply screw things for the legit' gun owner - the guy who sure needs his means of self defence against the thugs.
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    What I would like to see in San Francisco is a simply study on handgun violence. This study would be an easy study to do. Every person convicted of a gun crime has a background check to see if they own or posses the gun discovered in a legal manner. Then you take the two lists (legal gun ownership/possession vs. illiegal ownership/possession) and come to a conclusion as to the dangers of ownership of weapons. If the large majority of crime invloves a person with illegal ownership/possession then why would you want to add additional laws regarding guns, and gun ownership? These people do not follow the laws in place currently, therefore the trend would be that they do not abide by the new law. Instead, the existing laws should be slackened to allow citizens to own/possess handguns, and the PENALTIES for illegal ownership/possession/use should dramatically increase. This is the difference that aparently very few people in Kalifornia understand.

    Please, quit penalizing the law abiding citizen, and become more active with enforcement.
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    I am just in a slightly twisted mood tonight......
    I would love it if the one shop was able to do all his sales special order and arrange it that every inventory day he had exactly the same weapons in his inventory, no more, no less. Thousands of sales, but always the exact same ones in the display cases! With the waiting period out there it might not be too hard to do!

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    I'd love to go hiking along some of the areas in the northern part of California. Beautiful terrain there, much fewer people, better ability to be safely armed (concealed) and still enjoy the scenery.

    Good thing I have no plans to do any business in San Fransisco. Or any other Californian city for that matter. Those folks define "sheep"... So afraid of the wolf's teeth they forget the wolf has to bite them first. Guns, like the teeth of wolves and sheep dogs, are a part of our society. You can't "ban" something like that.


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    Carried in California for 10+ yrs, myself. Worked very well, avoiding the cesspools such as San Francisco, which would hang you from a yardarm quicker 'n' anything for having the temerity to defend yourself against crime. But then, I lived in a rural county that was far, far away from the cesspools.

    But even new restrictions won't do much to stop the gun violence escalating on city streets, one sponsor of the new laws said after the vote.
    "Minefield" mentality is lacking, here.

    Recipe for being taken over by criminals: make a minefield (a public space, ie a city); sweep it clean of all "mines" (armed citizens); then advertise it as a mine-free space.

    Recipe for being taken over by upstanding citizens: make a minefield; place as many quality "mines" (ie armed citizens) out there as is humanly possible; then advertise it as a criminal-free zone and a free-fire zone against criminal predation, with the attendant legal protections.

    San Francisco (and every other place): Pick one. No, the other one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderdude View Post
    Yes, lets make the already super thick law books even thicker with more useless laws that criminals don't obey in the first place.
    Actually, this act of adding useless laws may be somewhat more effective than we think.

    Enough laws on the books will make the book more useful when you have the chance to hit a BG with it.
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