It could happen here....

It could happen here....

This is a discussion on It could happen here.... within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; if we let it. If you ever vote for a politician that is a proponent of gun control, this is what you may be a ...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 18
  1. #1
    Distinguished Member Array P7fanatic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Texan in NWFlorida
    Posts
    1,588

    Cool It could happen here....

    if we let it.
    If you ever vote for a politician that is a proponent of gun control, this is what you may be a part of. Beware!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkS2BRoCd2I&NR=1

    or maybe something a little closer to home.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9...elated&search=


  2. #2
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484
    The first was posted not too long ago (the UK debacle) - no link to hand - and the other (Katrina) is also fairly well seen I think - in fact I have the NRA DVD on that - pretty scary.

    The main thing is that these act as warnings and lessons - I'll leave this thread standing even tho the vids have been seen by most in other threads - at least then any who missed one or both can be up to speed. They do need seen.
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  3. #3
    VIP Member
    Array ppkheat's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Louisiana
    Posts
    4,130
    Thanks Chris for letting those links stay, I hadn't seen either one. Probably the most frightening clips I've ever seen.

    Of course, our most powerful ammunition is "voters on our side", and it's easy to get more. Seek out a friend, family member, acquaintenance, of someone who you think might be a fence-sitter, or even an anti. Invite them to go shooting, help them out, loan them a good book or video to watch on firearms. Get them involved, they're generally only guilty of what the media has told them about guns. Most of my circle are avid diehard shooters, but I can think of two that I need to get enthused. And I will, and once they are involved, I'll coax them to do the same with some of their fence-sitting friends.

    What a great tradition and productive trend to begin for all of us. Make a personal pledge that you'll motivate at least one fence-sitter per year, then encourage them to do the same. If so your weapons will never see a chop saw !!!

    It's not too early to start. Apathy is our enemy
    Turn the election's in 2014 to a "2A Revolution". It will serve as a 1994 refresher not to "infringe" on our Second Amendment. We know who they are now.........SEND 'EM HOME. Our success in this will be proportional to how hard we work to make it happen.

  4. #4
    Member Array timothius's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    New Mexico
    Posts
    59
    Man! That stuff sends shivers down my spine.That level of governmental control is outrageous. I have a couple of Australian friends and it is their belief that guns breed more guns. I have asked them how this can be? It is hard to make them understand that it is a criminals that make the trouble and not the gun. Oh Well I got one of them to the range during their last visit, and he thoroughly enjoyed it.

    Tim

  5. #5
    VIP Member Array ExSoldier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Coral Gables, FL
    Posts
    5,802
    Possibly the most frightening thing about the Katrina Grab is that it was successfully accomplished in the DEEP SOUTH. How many old rednecks (spoken with great affection) have you heard say "When they finally DO get my guns, they're going to be WARMER than me?" Well, push came to shove and what happened? It's different when your wife and kids are in danger from overwhelming government firepower. A friend of mine (a psychologist) suggested having several caches of firearms in the house and on the grounds. The first batch are the "throw aways" you want the feds to find. Then you keep your defensive gun elsewhere and maybe a cache of revolutionary weapons and ammo offsite, buried but easy to get to. That way you escape a Katrina event with not much lost and no harm to you and yours. You KNOW the situation will be stabilized eventually and order returned. OTOH what if the situation is out of control and it looks like long term order isn't going to be available. WHAT THEN? Something to think about. Personally, I think Katrina was a "DRY RUN." Notice that they brought in national guard troops from states with traditionally harsh gun laws. Those troops felt they were enforcing their own states laws and had no compunction about use of force. This is the result of liberal anti-gun curriculums in the public schools across the nation. It obviously worked in New Orleans.
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

  6. #6
    Member Array kf4uel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    99

    Canada's Reply of the UK STAY TUNED

    Looks like the Canadian Attorney General is going for a complete handgun ban, around 500,000 licensed (permitted) handguns would be taken if he gains necessary approval.

    Lets all get real, and not fall for the simple rhetoric that here lately has been: STOP, THINK, BAN GUNS

    So in contrast why not funnel all that energy into something productive like community crime awareness, youth education, etc..
    Last edited by kf4uel; July 30th, 2007 at 10:50 AM. Reason: SP
    "What if? If not, who needs seatbelts, life rafts, and fire extingishers. Sure theres other ways, if thats what you want... I know ill be alive, dry, and not on fire!"

    G17, G19, G36, PPK/S
    Support the right - www.vcdl.org

  7. #7
    VIP Member Array ExSoldier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Coral Gables, FL
    Posts
    5,802

    Actually...

    Quote Originally Posted by kf4uel View Post
    Looks like the Canadian Attorney General is going for a complete handgun ban, around 500,000 licensed (permitted) handguns would be taken he gains necessary approval.

    Lets all get real, and not fall for the simple rederick that here lately has been: STOP, THINK, BAN GUNS

    So in contrast why not funnel all that energy into something productive like community crime awareness, youth education, etc..
    You're caught up in the rhetoric that says that the reason for gun control is crime. It's not. It never was. The reason for gun control is....CONTROL. Plain and simple. Gun banners whine and wail about crime because it is convenient, that's all. Same for terrorism and that's even better for them, but it cuts both ways and they know it. More on that later.

    They actually use a broad approach these days. Some go after the enviromental aspect (lead leaching into soil for ranges) or nuisance ordinances that prohibit ranges by noise levels. Some use child safety with great success. IF IT SAVES ONE CHILD'S LIFE... How many times have you heard that rant on the news? If I were to give you the real reason the politicians from all parties want gun control rammed thru I'd have to stop and put my tinfoil hat on. It's a regular part of my wardrobe...even has little flaps that cover the ears and a propeller that spins madly when the subject of the Council on Foreign Relations comes up. Suffice to say that the UN is eyeball deep in the matter.

    Know why the antis are so frantic to ram thru gun control laws in advance of another terrorist attack? Simple, the opposition knows quite well that banning guns won't stop terrorist acts in fact they also know that a well armed populace is a clear deterrence to such behavior. That's what scares them so. They're afraid some Jihadi is going to open up in public, maybe take out the cops in sight or security at the mall and are only then cut to pieces by an armed citizen.

    That happens and the game is up. Say buh-BYE to any hope of getting meaningful gun control passed absent a triggering of the Executive Orders that turn this country into a dictatorship overnight. That's another thread.
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

  8. #8
    Member Array kf4uel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    99
    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    You're caught up in the rhetoric .
    Thanks for the SP! I gave up when I couldnt find the dictonary LOL
    "What if? If not, who needs seatbelts, life rafts, and fire extingishers. Sure theres other ways, if thats what you want... I know ill be alive, dry, and not on fire!"

    G17, G19, G36, PPK/S
    Support the right - www.vcdl.org

  9. #9
    Senior Member Array ronwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    816
    It is often said the "Silent Majority" wins, or loses, elections depending on how you look at it. There will be no silence from me, I constantly write my representatives on all issues that I'm interested in, not just 2A issues. The belief that it can never happen in the U.S. is a mistake that far to many people are making. The simple fact is if the police and armed forces are ordered to confiscate our guns, there's not much we will be able to do about it. Let's not make the same mistake the British did and just stand by and let it happen. Stay informed and write your representatives constantly.

  10. #10
    Distinguished Member Array Stetson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Augusta,Maine
    Posts
    1,555
    This makes me want too scream ! How can this keep happening?
    All English Commonwealths giving up their firearms!!
    Too bad as over regulation only bad guy keep the guns!

  11. #11
    VIP Member Array edr9x23super's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    2,108

    The only reason that these things are happenng

    Is because we live in a country where our right is constitutionally protected and enumerated. The Katrina disaster occurred becuase of ignorance and a corrupt police force, mainly in New Orleans. I know many folks in Louisiana who were able to keep their weapons for self defense. I know for a fact that in several communities north of New Orleans across the causeway that they actually barricaded it to prevent the criminal element from New Orleans from heading into their communities, and formed armed patrols to aid local law enforcement. the national guard problems, I believe really stem from a corrupt Louisiana state government, as well as the notorious New Orleans police department and the incompetent mayor, Ray Nagin. The guard units were just called in to support the rescue efforts. the difference between us and the rest of the world is this:

    Other countries do not have the NRA and other grassroots organizations that are active in politics, and remember their politicians at the voting booth on election day. This is one reason why the democrats have not visited the gun control issue here at all, with the exception being the Virginia Tech tragedy. They know that the moment they pass AWB 2 they are out of office and out of control; They also know that their entire agenda hinges on the outcome of the 2008 elections, both of which they stand to lose big time if they continue their current direction towards political meltdown. Their day of judgement is coming when the real presidential debates begin and Barack and Hillary have to face off against Rudy and Fred.

    I can hardly wait......
    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry

  12. #12
    VIP Member Array ExSoldier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Coral Gables, FL
    Posts
    5,802

    Wink False Assumption...

    Quote Originally Posted by edr9x23super View Post
    Is because we live in a country where our right is constitutionally protected and enumerated. The Katrina disaster occurred becuase of ignorance and a corrupt police force, mainly in New Orleans. I know many folks in Louisiana who were able to keep their weapons for self defense. I know for a fact that in several communities north of New Orleans across the causeway that they actually barricaded it to prevent the criminal element from New Orleans from heading into their communities, and formed armed patrols to aid local law enforcement. the national guard problems, I believe really stem from a corrupt Louisiana state government, as well as the notorious New Orleans police department and the incompetent mayor, Ray Nagin. The guard units were just called in to support the rescue efforts. the difference between us and the rest of the world is this:

    Other countries do not have the NRA and other grassroots organizations that are active in politics, and remember their politicians at the voting booth on election day. This is one reason why the democrats have not visited the gun control issue here at all, with the exception being the Virginia Tech tragedy. They know that the moment they pass AWB 2 they are out of office and out of control; They also know that their entire agenda hinges on the outcome of the 2008 elections, both of which they stand to lose big time if they continue their current direction towards political meltdown. Their day of judgement is coming when the real presidential debates begin and Barack and Hillary have to face off against Rudy and Fred.

    I can hardly wait......
    #1. I hate to say this, but I have a distant relative on the Saint Tammany Parrish PD. He was one of the cops grabbing guns from folks who were moving about after the storm either via car or boat. When I severely chastised him he shot back with something resembling a wail: You don't understand what it was LIKE out there! So I asked him what he would have done if the Guard had come to HIS home to seize his guns? His reply is typical for modern day LEOs fed the NWO scholastic agenda in the public schools: "The Mother of All Battles." He's an elitist and doesn't even know he has fallen victim to that agenda: Only the COPS should have guns.

    #2 Democrats don't know any such thing. Gun bans have been a part of their overall agenda since 1865 when they formed the KKK and passed the Jim Crow laws in the Deep South. Back then, they didn't want newly freed slaves to go huntin' for their former Masters. So they passed laws and took advantage of the tribal fears and ignorance in creating the KKK.

    They're still doing just that! Passing antigun laws and endorsing the KKK. I see Robert Byrd is still a ranking member of the Party. He's a former Grand Cyclops of the KKK. They're still taking advantage of their minority constituents, too. The Dems created the entire concept of welfare. They use that to keep the minorities in line. They are what they are.
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

  13. #13
    VIP Member Array ExSoldier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Coral Gables, FL
    Posts
    5,802

    Lightbulb History shows different!

    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    The simple fact is if the police and armed forces are ordered to confiscate our guns, there's not much we will be able to do about it.
    ~Sigh~ I wrote a ten paragraph response to this and my wife accidentally erased it before I could post. I have this discussion with my students every year anyway so I guess I'll tune up again.

    If it comes to confiscation it's too late: You can't fight the military!

    Well that's a great attitude and I support taking pre-emptive political action before it progresses to a replay of April 19th 1775. The last time the lawful government in this land decided that their subjects were gettin' too uppity and needed to be reminded that they faced the greatest power on earth at the time: The British Army. Historically, what has been the response of a populace faced with overwhelming military force that seems to also act as an army of occupation? It starts with an "I" and we're facing it right now in the sandbox.

    Sure we fought toe to toe with the Brits in some real harrowing battles. Saratoga, Bunker Hill (was actually Breeds Hill but that's quibbling) and a host of others. But it's a maxim of military tactics to never fight an enemy where he is strong. So if the Brits were the dominant conventional battlefield force then take the fight to them via an.....insurgency and guerilla war. A lot of factors contributed to the eventual victory but the Brits complained most bitterly about the first US Special Operations forces like Rogers Rangers.

    Okay the next argument goes that was THEN and THIS is NOW. What about tanks, helicopters and high tech infantry technolgy and high volume of fire weapons?

    I dunno. Ask the North Vietnamese. Ask the Afghans about the Russians or vice versa! I spent 10 years as an infantry officer both active and reserve. I spent another four years as an armor officer in the reserves after a voluntary branch transfer. In both branches I was highly trained to defeat the opposition in the enemy army. I dang sure know the weaknesses and strengths in our own forces as well as in foreign forces we might face. The idea is to avoid the strengths and exploit the weaknesses.

    Every branch has stuff they fear to encounter. They train for such a meeting but in many cases there's not a whole lot that can be done proactively. Fighting reactively is never a good idea. For example available in the common chemicals available in 90% of the natiuons homes are properties that can be combined to create field expedient explosives or chemical agents. There are products available in ALL ranches and farms across the country and in the communities who serve them to absolutely stop (not kill but rather demobilize) armor and tracked APCs. Also products of a similar nature that will passively bring down helicopters where set in ambush in appropriate locations.

    Who will stop a military and police gone over to the side of tyranny? Well, think about it. There are approximately 100 MILLION gunowners in this country. If all guns were banned, I'm guessing that about 90% of the sheep would bleat and turn them in as they been programmed to do via the public school's NWO curriculum. That leaves a hard corps cadre of real patriots. Of that number a majority will be former military. Of that number many will be combat vets and of THAT number a certain percentage will have either special operations training (Ranger School) or actual experience (Ranger Battalion or SF "A" Tm/Navy SEAL/USMC Force Recon, etc). These are the leaders and trainers. The army is the ten million who refuse to roll over. If I have a rock I can get a knife. If I have a knife, I can get a gun. If I have a gun I can get: Ordinance, tanks, other vehicles, food, intelligence, -- HINT-- Live off the enemy.

    How effective would all this be in the "modern world?" Well think back a few years when Abortion Clinic bomber Eric Rudolf led about 500 federal agents and national guard on a merry chase across a fairly small patch of the western north Carolina mountains. He survived over two years and wasn't caught until they found him foraging for food in somebody's trash cans. Eric rudolf was a pfc in the US Army and knew only basic infantry soldier skills. ONE GUY out maneuvered a force of 500. And he was only trying to stay on the loose. Now imagine 10,000 former Navy SEALs playing games like they do and guess what? They're real mad. They're joined by warriors from every US conflict stretching back to WWII.

    Yeah some of those old guys are in their 80's but you know what? A trained and experienced hunter/killer in his 20's is the same person in his 80's but he REALLY doesn't care about dying. Each will act as they are capable. But 10 MILLION is for certain the biggest army in the world.

    All it takes is a chain of command and the will of the people to fight and die for a cause in which they believe. It has been present in the American citizen since that fateful Spring day in the towns of Lexington and Concord and in every conflict since. It is fast disappearing due to brainwashing via the elementary, middle and high schools. The programming gets worse at the university levels. If "they" want to wait another generation until the last of the old time patriots die off and the ignorant masses fully take over the government then nary a shot need be fired. Problem is, I think there is a timetable and the time is running out. If that's true, there still may be enough patriots left that remember the real meaning of FREEEEEEEEDOM (Brave Heart) and what is necessary to secure that precious commodity.
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

  14. #14
    Senior Member Array ronwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    816
    [QUOTE=ExSoldier;449296]~Sigh~ I wrote a ten paragraph response to this and my wife accidentally erased it before I could post. I have this discussion with my students every year anyway so I guess I'll tune up again.

    If it comes to confiscation it's too late: You can't fight the military!

    Well that's a great attitude and I support taking pre-emptive political action before it progresses to a replay of April 19th 1775. The last time the lawful government in this land decided that their subjects were gettin' too uppity and needed to be reminded that they faced the greatest power on earth at the time: The British Army. Historically, what has been the response of a populace faced with overwhelming military force that seems to also act as an army of occupation? It starts with an "I" and we're facing it right now in the sandbox.

    I agree with you that a "well organized and armed civilian force" could put up a good battle. The problem would be obtaining capable enough weapons to do so. Sure some countries would gladly step in and supply the weapons, but do you really want the aftermath of having to deal with those countries? Yes some military members would refuse to fight their fellow citizens and very likely join the "rebellion", but would enough do so to make a difference? Another thing to think about is that it wouldn't just be the military but every police force in the nation. Now don't get me wrong, I really don't think this would happen, at least not in our life time. I do think that believing it "could NEVER happen in the U.S." is a mistake though.

  15. #15
    VIP Member Array rodc13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    San Antonio, Texas
    Posts
    2,753
    Americans can, and should, stand up against a government entity which abuses its power and therefore abrogates its lawful authority. For a relatively recent example of resistance to a corrupt government in the U.S., one can look to the example of the "Battle of Athens" (Tennessee), in August of 1946.

    Published in Guns & Ammo October 1995, pp. 50-51

    On August 1-2, 1946, some Americans, brutalized by their county government, used armed force as a last resort to overturn it. These Americans wanted honest open elections. For years they had asked for state or federal election monitors to prevent vote fraud (forged ballots, secret ballot counts and intimidation by armed sheriff's deputies) by the local political boss. They got no help.

    These Americans' absolute refusal to knuckle under had been hardened by service in World War II. Having fought to free other countries from murderous regimes, they rejected vicious abuse by their county government.

    These Americans had a choice. Their state's Constitution -- Article 1, Section 26 -- recorded their right to keep and bear arms for the common defense. Few "gun control" laws had been enacted.

    These Americans were residents of McMinn County, which is located between Chattanooga and Knoxville in Eastern Tennessee. The two main towns were Athens and Etowah. McMinn County residents had long been independent political thinkers. For a long time they also had: accepted bribe-taking by politicians and/or the sheriff to overlook illicit whiskey-making and gambling; financed the sheriff's department from fines-usually for speeding or public drunkenness which promoted false arrests; and put up with voting fraud by both Democrats and Republicans.

    The wealthy Cantrell family, of Etowah, backed Franklin Delano Roosevelt in the 1932 election, hoping New Deal programs would revive the local economy and help Democrats to replace Republicans in the county government. So it proved.

    Paul Cantrell was elected sheriff in the 1936,1938 and 1940 elections, but by slim margins. The sheriff was the key county official. Cantrell was elected to the state senate in 1942 and 1944; his chief deputy, Pat Mansfield, was elected sheriff. In 1946 Paul Cantrell again sought the sheriff's office.

    At the end of 1945, some 3,000 battle-hardened veterans returned to McMinn County; the GIs held Cantrell politically responsible for Mansfield's doings. Early in 1946, some newly returned ex-GIs decided to challenge Cantrell politically by offering an all-ex-GI, non-partisan ticket. They promised a fraud-free election, stating in ads and speeches that there would be an honest ballot count and reform of county government.

    At a rally, a GI speaker said, "The principles that we fought for in this past war do not exist in McMinn County. We fought for democracy because we believe in democracy but not the form we live under in this county" (Daily Post-Athenian, 17 June 1946, p.1 ). At the end of July 1946, 159 McMinn County GIs petitioned the FBI to send election monitors. There was no response. The Department of Justice had not responded to McMinn County residents' complaints of election fraud in 1940, 1942 and 1944.

    FROM BALLOTS TO BULLETS

    The primary election was held on August 1. To intimidate voters, Mansfield brought in some 200 armed "deputies." GI poll-watchers were beaten almost at once. At about 3 p.m., Tom Gillespie, an African- American voter was told by a sheriff's deputy that he could not vote. Despite being beaten, Gillespie persisted. The enraged deputy shot him. The gunshot drew a crowd. Rumors spread that Gillespie had been shot in the back; he later recovered (C. Stephen Byrum, The Battle of Athens, Paidia Productions, Chattanooga, TN, 1987; pp. 155-57).

    Other deputies detained ex-GI poll-watchers in a polling place, as that made the ballot counting "Public" A crowd gathered. Sheriff Mansfield told his deputies to disperse the crowd. When the two ex-GIs smashed a big window and escaped, the crowd surged forward. The deputies, with guns drawn, formed a tight half-circle around the front of the polling place. One deputy, "his gun raised high...shouted: 'If you sons of bitches cross this street I'll kill you!'" (Byrum, p.165).

    Mansfield took the ballot boxes to the jail for counting. The deputies seemed to fear immediate attack by the "people who had just liberated Europe and the South Pacific from two of the most powerful war machines in human history" (Byrum, pp. 168-69).

    Short of firearms and ammunition, the GIs scoured the county to find them. By borrowing keys to the National Guard and State Guard armories, they got three M-1 rifles, five .45 semi-automatic pistols and 24 British Enfield rifles. The armories were nearly empty after the war's end. By 8 p.m. a group of GIs and "local boys" headed for the jail but left the back door unguarded to give the jail's defenders an easy way out.

    Three GIs alerting passersby to danger were fired on from the jail. Two GIs were wounded. Other GIs returned fire.

    Firing subsided after 30 minutes; ammunition ran low and night had fallen. Thick brick walls shielded those inside the jail. Absent radios, the GIs' rifle fire was uncoordinated. "From the hillside fire rose and fell in disorganized cascades. More than anything else, people were simply shooting at the jail" (Byrum, p.189).

    Several who ventured into the street in front of the jail were wounded. One man inside the jail was badly hurt; he recovered. Most sheriff's deputies wanted to hunker down and await rescue. Governor McCord mobilized the State Guard, perhaps to scare the GIs into withdrawing. The State Guard never went to Athens. McCord may have feared that Guard units filled with ex-GIs might not fire on other ex-GIs.

    At about 2 a.m. on August 2, the GIs forced the issue. Men from Meigs County threw dynamite sticks and damaged the jail's porch. The panicked deputies surrendered. GIs quickly secured the building. Paul Cantrell faded into the night, having almost been shot by a GI who knew him, but whose .45 pistol had jammed. Mansfield's deputies were kept overnight in jail for their own safety. Calm soon returned. The GIs posted guards. The rifles borrowed from the armory were cleaned and returned before sunup.

    THE AFTERMATH: RESTORING DEMOCRACY

    In five precincts free of vote fraud, the GI candidate for sheriff, Knox Henry, won 1,168 votes to Cantrell's 789. Other GI candidates won by similar margins.

    The GI's did not hate Cantrell. They only wanted honest government. On August 2, a town meeting set up a three-man governing committee. The regular police having fled, six men were chosen to police Etowah. In addition, "Individual citizens were called upon to form patrols or guard groups, often led by a GI... To their credit, however, there is not a single mention of an abuse of power on their behalf" (Byrum, p. 220).

    Once the GI candidates' victory had been certified, they cleaned up county government, the jail was fixed, newly elected officials accepted a $5,000 pay limit and Mansfield supporters who resigned were replaced.

    The general election on November 5 passed quietly. McMinn County residents, having restored the rule of law, returned to their daily lives. Pat Mansfield moved back to Georgia. Paul Cantrell set up an auto dealership in Etowah. "Almost everyone who knew Cantrell in the years after the Battle' agree that he was not bitter about what had happened" (Byrum pp. 232-33; see also New York Times, 9 August 1946, p. 8).

    The 79th Congress adjourned on August 2, 1946, when the Battle of Athens ended. However, Representative John Jennings Jr. from Tennessee decried McMinn County's sorry situation under Cantrell and Mansfield and the Justice Department's repeated failures to help the McMinn County residents. Jennings was delighted that "...at long last, decency and honesty, liberty and law have returned to the fine county of McMinn.. " (Congressional Record, House; U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C., 1946; Appendix, Volume 92, Part 13, p. A4870).

    THE LESSONS OF ATHENS

    Those who took up arms in Athens, Tennessee, wanted honest elections, a cornerstone of our constitutional order. They had repeatedly tried to get federal or state election monitors and had used armed force so as to minimize harm to the law-breakers, showing little malice to the defeated law-breakers. They restored lawful government.

    The Battle of Athens clearly shows how Americans can and should lawfully use armed force and also shows why the rule of law requires unrestricted access to firearms and how civilians with military-type firearms can beat the forces of government gone bad.

    Dictators believe that public order is more important than the rule of law. However, Americans reject this idea. Brutal political repression is lethal to many. An individual criminal can harm a handful of people. Governments alone can brutalize thousands, or millions.

    Law-abiding McMinn County residents won the Battle of Athens because they were not hamstrung by "gun control " They showed us when citizens can and should use armed force to support the rule of law.
    Cheers,
    Rod
    "We're paratroopers. We're supposed to be surrounded!" Dick Winters

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Tee, hee, hee...this'll never happen to me!???
    By Cold Warrior in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: February 13th, 2010, 07:54 AM
  2. Can't Happen here~~~in the UK???
    By Jmac00 in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: March 21st, 2009, 08:17 AM
  3. Could it happen again?
    By Barbary in forum Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: December 12th, 2008, 02:18 PM
  4. what would happen?
    By johnnyrigger in forum Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: September 14th, 2008, 06:13 PM
  5. It can happen to any of us.
    By armado in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 38
    Last Post: March 2nd, 2008, 03:10 AM

Search tags for this page

c. stephen byrum, the battle of athens dvd

Click on a term to search for related topics.

» Log in

User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!

» DefensiveCarry Sponsors