HR 2666 - Full blown "mother-may-I" firearm licensing and registration

HR 2666 - Full blown "mother-may-I" firearm licensing and registration

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    HR 2666 - Full blown "mother-may-I" firearm licensing and registration

    This doesn't have a snowballs chance in heck, but it still ticks me off that it would even get introduced.

    I especially like the definition of "qualified firearms".

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2666

    H.R. 2666: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and...
    HR 2666 IH


    110th CONGRESS

    1st Session

    H. R. 2666
    To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes.


    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


    June 11, 2007

    Mr. RUSH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


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    A BILL
    To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

    (a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as `Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007'.

    (b) Table of Contents- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:

    Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.

    Sec. 2. Findings and purposes.

    Sec. 3. Definitions.


    TITLE I--LICENSING

    Sec. 101. Licensing requirement.

    Sec. 102. Application requirements.

    Sec. 103. Issuance of license.

    Sec. 104. Renewal of license.

    Sec. 105. Revocation of license.


    TITLE II--RECORD OF SALE OR TRANSFER

    Sec. 201. Sale or transfer requirements for qualifying firearms.

    Sec. 202. Firearm records.


    TITLE III--ADDITIONAL PROHIBITIONS

    Sec. 301. Universal background check requirement.

    Sec. 302. Failure to maintain or permit inspection of records.

    Sec. 303. Failure to report loss or theft of firearm.

    Sec. 304. Failure to provide notice of change of address.

    Sec. 305. Child access prevention.


    TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT

    Sec. 401. Criminal penalties.

    Sec. 402. Regulations.

    Sec. 403. Inspections.

    Sec. 404. Orders.

    Sec. 405. Injunctive enforcement.


    TITLE V--FIREARM INJURY INFORMATION AND RESEARCH

    Sec. 501. Duties of the Attorney General.


    TITLE VI--EFFECT ON STATE LAW

    Sec. 601. Effect on State law.

    Sec. 602. Certification of State firearm licensing systems and State firearm record of sale systems.


    TITLE VII--RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAW

    Sec. 701. Subordination to Arms Export Control Act.


    TITLE VIII--INAPPLICABILITY

    Sec. 801. Inapplicability to governmental authorities.


    TITLE IX--EFFECTIVE DATE

    Sec. 901. Effective date of amendments.


    SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSES.

    (a) Findings- Congress finds that--

    (1) the manufacture, distribution, and importation of firearms is inherently commercial in nature;

    (2) firearms regularly move in interstate commerce;

    (3) to the extent that firearms trafficking is intrastate in nature, it arises out of and is substantially connected with a commercial transaction, which, when viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce;

    (4) because the intrastate and interstate trafficking of firearms are so commingled, full regulation of interstate commerce requires the incidental regulation of intrastate commerce;

    (5) gun violence in the United States is associated with the majority of homicides, over half the suicides, and two-thirds of non-fatal violent injuries; and

    (6) on the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting.

    (b) Sense of the Congress- It is the sense of the Congress that--

    (1) firearms trafficking is prevalent and widespread in and among the States, and it is usually impossible to distinguish between intrastate trafficking and interstate trafficking; and

    (2) it is in the national interest and within the role of the Federal Government to ensure that the regulation of firearms is uniform among the States, that law enforcement can quickly and effectively trace firearms used in crime, and that firearms owners know how to use and safely store their firearms.

    (c) Purposes- The purposes of this Act and the amendments made by this Act are--

    (1) to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of qualifying firearms to criminals and youth;

    (2) to ensure that owners of qualifying firearms are knowledgeable in the safe use, handling, and storage of those firearms;

    (3) to restrict the availability of qualifying firearms to criminals, youth, and other persons prohibited by Federal law from receiving firearms; and

    (4) to facilitate the tracing of qualifying firearms used in crime by Federal and State law enforcement agencies.


    SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

    (a) In General- In this Act:

    (1) FIREARM; LICENSED DEALER; LICENSED MANUFACTURER; STATE- The terms `firearm', `licensed dealer', `licensed manufacturer', and `State' have the meanings given those terms in section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code.

    (2) QUALIFYING FIREARM- The term `qualifying firearm' has the meaning given the term in section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by subsection (b) of this section.

    (b) Amendment to Title 18, United States Code- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(36) The term `qualifying firearm'--

    `(A) means--

    `(i) any handgun; or

    `(ii) any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition feeding device; and

    `(B) does not include any antique.'.


    TITLE I--LICENSING

    SEC. 101. LICENSING REQUIREMENT.

    Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(aa) Firearm Licensing Requirement-

    `(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license--

    `(A) under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under that title; or

    `(B) pursuant to a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under State law.

    `(2) APPLICABLE DATE- In this subsection, the term `applicable date' means--

    `(A) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person before the date of the enactment of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007, 2 years after such date of enactment; and

    `(B) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person on or after the date of the enactment of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007, 1 year after such date of enactment.'.


    SEC. 102. APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

    (a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include--

    (1) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

    (2) the name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant;

    (3) any other name that the applicant has ever used or by which the applicant has ever been known;

    (4) a clear thumb print of the applicant, which shall be made when, and in the presence of the entity to whom, the application is submitted;

    (5) with respect to each category of person prohibited by Federal law, or by the law of the State of residence of the applicant, from obtaining a firearm, a statement that the individual is not a person prohibited from obtaining a firearm;

    (6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

    (7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding--

    (A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

    (B) the safe handling of firearms;

    (C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use;

    (D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and

    (E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

    (8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant;

    (9) the date on which the application was submitted; and

    (10) the signature of the applicant.

    (b) Regulations Governing Submission- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications to the Attorney General under this section, which regulations shall--

    (1) provide for submission of the application through a licensed dealer or an office or agency of the Federal Government designated by the Attorney General;

    (2) require the applicant to provide a valid identification document (as defined in section 1028(d)(2) of title 18, United States Code) of the applicant, containing a photograph of the applicant, to the licensed dealer or to the office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable, at the time of submission of the application to that dealer, office, or agency; and

    (3) require that a completed application be forwarded to the Attorney General not later than 48 hours after the application is submitted to the licensed dealer or office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable.

    (c) Fees-

    (1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall charge and collect from each applicant for a license under this title a fee in an amount determined in accordance with paragraph (2).

    (2) FEE AMOUNT- The amount of the fee collected under this subsection shall be not less than the amount determined by the Attorney General to be necessary to ensure that the total amount of all fees collected under this subsection during a fiscal year is sufficient to cover the costs of carrying out this title during that fiscal year, except that such amount shall not exceed $25.


    SEC. 103. ISSUANCE OF LICENSE.

    (a) In General- The Attorney General shall issue a firearm license to an applicant who has submitted an application that meets the requirements of section 102 of this Act, if the Attorney General ascertains that the individual is not prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm.

    (b) Effect of Issuance to Prohibited Person- A firearm license issued under this section shall be null and void if issued to a person who is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm.

    (c) Form of License- A firearm license issued under this section shall be in the form of a tamper-resistant card, and shall include--

    (1) the photograph of the licensed individual submitted with the application;

    (2) the address of the licensed individual;

    (3) the date of birth of the licensed individual;

    (4) a license number, unique to each licensed individual;

    (5) the expiration date of the license, which shall be the date that is 5 years after the initial anniversary of the date of birth of the licensed individual following the date on which the license is issued (or in the case of a license renewal, following the date on which the license is renewed under section 104);

    (6) the signature of the licensed individual provided on the application, or a facsimile of the application; and

    (7) centered at the top of the license, capitalized, and in boldface type, the following:

    `FIREARM LICENSE--NOT VALID FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE'.


    SEC. 104. RENEWAL OF LICENSE.

    (a) Application for Renewal-

    (1) IN GENERAL- In order to renew a firearm license issued under this title, not later than 30 days before the expiration date of the license, the licensed individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under paragraph (3)), in a form approved by the Attorney General, an application for renewal of the license.

    (2) CONTENTS- An application submitted under paragraph (1) shall include--

    (A) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

    (B) current proof of identity of the licensed individual; and

    (C) the address of the licensed individual.

    (3) REGULATIONS GOVERNING SUBMISSION- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications under this subsection.

    (b) Issuance of Renewed License- Upon approval of an application submitted under subsection (a) of this section, the Attorney General shall issue a renewed license, which shall meet the requirements of section 103(c), except that the license shall include the current photograph and address of the licensed individual, as provided in the application submitted under this section, and the expiration date of the renewed license, as provided in section 103(c)(5).


    SEC. 105. REVOCATION OF LICENSE.

    (a) In General- If an individual to whom a license has been issued under this title subsequently becomes a person who is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm--

    (1) the license is revoked; and

    (2) the individual shall promptly return the license to the Attorney General.

    (b) Administrative Action- Upon receipt by the Attorney General of notice that an individual to whom a license has been issued under this title has become a person described in subsection (a), the Attorney General shall ensure that the individual promptly returns the license to the Attorney General.


    TITLE II--RECORD OF SALE OR TRANSFER

    SEC. 201. SALE OR TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS FOR QUALIFYING FIREARMS.

    Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 101 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(bb) Unauthorized Sale or Transfer of a Qualifying Firearm- It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a qualifying firearm to, or for, any person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, or to receive a qualifying firearm from a person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, unless, at the time and place of the transfer or receipt--

    `(1) the transferee presents to a licensed dealer a valid firearm license issued to the transferee--

    `(A) under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007; or

    `(B) pursuant to a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007 established by the State in which the transfer or receipt occurs;

    `(2) the licensed dealer contacts the Attorney General or the head of the State agency that administers the certified system described in paragraph (1)(B), as applicable, and receives notice that the transferee has been issued a firearm license described in paragraph (1) and that the license remains valid; and

    `(3) the licensed dealer records on a document (which, in the case of a sale, shall be the sales receipt) a tracking authorization number provided by the Attorney General or the head of the State agency, as applicable, as evidence that the licensed dealer has verified the validity of the license.'.


    SEC. 202. FIREARM RECORDS.

    (a) Submission of Sale or Transfer Reports- Not later than 14 days after the date on which the transfer of qualifying firearm is processed by a licensed dealer under section 922(bb) of title 18, United States Code (as added by section 201 of this Act), the licensed dealer shall submit to the Attorney General (or, in the case of a licensed dealer located in a State that has a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of this Act, to the head of the State agency that administers that system) a report of that transfer, which shall include information relating to--

    (1) the manufacturer of the firearm;

    (2) the model name or number of the firearm;

    (3) the serial number of the firearm;

    (4) the date on which the firearm was received by the transferee;

    (5) the number of a valid firearm license issued to the transferee under title I of this Act; and

    (6) the name and address of the individual who transferred the firearm to the transferee.

    (b) Federal Record of Sale System- Not later than 9 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall establish and maintain a Federal record of sale system, which shall include the information included in each report submitted to the Attorney General under subsection (a).

    (c) Elimination of Prohibition on Establishment of System of Registration- Section 926(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence.


    TITLE III--ADDITIONAL PROHIBITIONS

    SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.

    Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101 and 201 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(cc) Universal Background Check Requirement-

    `(1) REQUIREMENT- Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a firearm to any person other than such a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (t).

    `(2) EXCEPTION- Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the infrequent transfer of a firearm by gift, bequest, intestate succession or other means by an individual to a parent, child, grandparent, or grandchild of the individual, or to any loan of a firearm for any lawful purpose for not more than 30 days between persons who are personally known to each other.'.


    SEC. 302. FAILURE TO MAINTAIN OR PERMIT INSPECTION OF RECORDS.

    Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, and 301 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(dd) Failure To Maintain or Permit Inspection of Records- It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer or a licensed dealer to fail to comply with section 202 of the Handgun Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007, or to maintain such records or supply such information as the Attorney General may require in order to ascertain compliance with such Act and the regulations and orders issued under such Act.'.


    SEC. 303. FAILURE TO REPORT LOSS OR THEFT OF FIREARM.

    Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, and 302 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(ee) Failure To Report Loss or Theft of Firearm- It shall be unlawful for any person who owns a qualifying firearm to fail to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours after the loss or theft is discovered.'.


    SEC. 304. FAILURE TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS.

    Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, 302, and 303 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(ff) Failure To Provide Notice of Change of Address- It shall be unlawful for any individual to whom a firearm license has been issued under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007 to fail to report to the Attorney General a change in the address of that individual within 60 days of that change of address.'.


    SEC. 305. CHILD ACCESS PREVENTION.

    Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, 302, 303, and 304 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(gg) Child Access Prevention-

    `(1) DEFINITION OF CHILD- In this subsection, the term `child' means an individual who has not attained the age of 18 years.

    `(2) PROHIBITION AND PENALTIES- Except as provided in paragraph (3), it shall be unlawful for any person to keep a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, any 1 of which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, within any premises that is under the custody or control of that person, if--

    `(A) that person--

    `(i) knows, or recklessly disregards the risk, that a child is capable of gaining access to the firearm; and

    `(ii) either--

    `(I) knows, or recklessly disregards the risk, that a child will use the firearm to cause the death of, or serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of this title) to, the child or any other person; or

    `(II) knows, or reasonably should know, that possession of the firearm by a child is unlawful under Federal or State law; and

    `(B) a child uses the firearm and the use of that firearm causes the death of, or serious bodily injury to, the child or any other person.

    `(3) EXCEPTIONS- Paragraph (2) shall not apply if--

    `(A) at the time the child obtained access, the firearm was secured with a secure gun storage or safety device;

    `(B) the person is a peace officer, a member of the Armed Forces, or a member of the National Guard, and the child obtains the firearm during, or incidental to, the performance of the official duties of the person in that capacity;

    `(C) the child uses the firearm in a lawful act of self-defense or defense of 1 or more other persons; or

    `(D) the person has no reasonable expectation, based on objective facts and circumstances, that a child is likely to be present on the premises on which the firearm is kept.'.


    TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT

    SEC. 401. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

    (a) Failure To Possess Firearm License; Failure To Comply With Qualifying Firearm Sale or Transfer Requirements; Failure To Maintain or Permit Inspection of Records- Section 924(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(8) Whoever knowingly violates subsection (aa), (bb), or (dd) of section 922 shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.'.

    (b) Failure To Comply With Universal Background Checks; Failure To Timely Report Loss or Theft of a Qualifying Firearm; Failure To Provide Notice of Change of Address- Section 924(a)(5) of such title is amended by striking `(s) or (t)' and inserting `(t), (cc), (ee), or (ff)'.

    (c) Child Access Prevention- Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by subsection (a) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(9) Whoever violates section 105(a)(2) of the Handgun Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007, knowingly or having reason to believe that the person is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

    `(10) Whoever violates section 922(gg) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'.


    SEC. 402. REGULATIONS.

    (a) In General- The Attorney General shall issue regulations governing the licensing of possessors of qualifying firearms and the recorded sale of qualifying firearms, consistent with this Act and the amendments made by this Act, as the Attorney General determines to be reasonably necessary to reduce or prevent deaths or injuries resulting from qualifying firearms, and to assist law enforcement in the apprehension of owners or users of qualifying firearms used in criminal activity.

    (b) Maximum Interval Between Issuance of Proposed and Final Regulation- Not later than 120 days after the date on which the Attorney General issues a proposed regulation under subsection (a) with respect to a matter, the Attorney General shall issue a final regulation with respect to the matter.


    SEC. 403. INSPECTIONS.

    In order to ascertain compliance with this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the regulations and orders issued under this Act, the Attorney General may, during regular business hours, enter any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce, and inspect those areas where the products are so manufactured, stored, or held.


    SEC. 404. ORDERS.

    The Attorney General may issue an order prohibiting the sale or transfer of any firearm that the Attorney General finds has been transferred or distributed in violation of this Act, an amendment made by this Act, or a regulation issued under this Act.


    SEC. 405. INJUNCTIVE ENFORCEMENT.

    The Attorney General may bring an action to restrain any violation of this Act or an amendment made by this Act in the district court of the United States for any district in which the violation has occurred, or in which the defendant is found or transacts business.


    TITLE V--FIREARM INJURY INFORMATION AND RESEARCH

    SEC. 501. DUTIES OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

    (a) In General- The Attorney General shall--

    (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse to collect, investigate, analyze, and disseminate data and information relating to the causes and prevention of death and injury associated with firearms;

    (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and

    (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures for each licensed manufacturer.

    (b) Availability of Information- Periodically, but not less frequently than annually, the Attorney General shall report to the Congress and make available to the public a report on the activities of the Attorney General under subsection (a).


    TITLE VI--EFFECT ON STATE LAW

    SEC. 601. EFFECT ON STATE LAW.

    (a) In General- This Act and the amendments made by this Act may not be construed to preempt any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision of that State, or prevent a State or political subdivision of that State from enacting any provision of law regulating or prohibiting conduct with respect to firearms, except to the extent that the provision of law is inconsistent with any provision of this Act or an amendment made by this Act, and then only to the extent of the inconsistency.

    (b) Rule of Interpretation- A provision of State law is not inconsistent with this Act or an amendment made by this Act if the provision imposes a regulation or prohibition of greater scope or a penalty of greater severity than a corresponding prohibition or penalty imposed by this Act or an amendment made by this Act.


    SEC. 602. CERTIFICATION OF STATE FIREARM LICENSING SYSTEMS AND STATE FIREARM RECORD OF SALE SYSTEMS.

    Upon a written request of the chief executive officer of a State, the Attorney General may certify--

    (1) a firearm licensing system established by a State, if State law requires the system to satisfy the requirements applicable to the Federal firearm licensing system established under title I; or

    (2) a firearm record of sale system established by a State, if State law requires the head of the State agency that administers the system to submit to the Federal firearm record of sale system established under section 202(b) a copy of each report submitted to the head of the agency under section 202(a), within 7 days after receipt of the report.


    TITLE VII--RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAW

    SEC. 701. SUBORDINATION TO ARMS EXPORT CONTROL ACT.

    In the event of any conflict between any provision of this Act or an amendment made by this Act, and any provision of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751), the provision of the Arms Export Control Act shall control.


    TITLE VIII--INAPPLICABILITY

    SEC. 801. INAPPLICABILITY TO GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES.

    This Act and the amendments made by this Act shall not apply to any department or agency of the United States, of a State, or of a political subdivision of a State, or to any official conduct of any officer or employee of such a department or agency.


    TITLE IX--EFFECTIVE DATE

    SEC. 901. EFFECTIVE DATE OF AMENDMENTS.

    The amendments made by this Act shall take effect 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act.


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    Holy moley - is this Rush guy actually an American? Can't help wondering! Maybe he has been to UK to take lessons in writing bills and acts!

    I would hope Bob you are right re snowball's chance .... but indeed yes, that someone (American) should dream up such stuff is more than concerning and dismaying too.
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    I think the anti-s propose crap like this as a smokescreen while they slip something nearly as awful through with little notice.
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    Don't count your eggs until it is DEFEATED. The way these worthless politicians wheel & deal, it could get more support....Remember who's in control of BOTH Houses! The leaders are rabidly anti-gun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goawayfarm View Post
    Don't count your eggs until it is DEFEATED. The way these worthless politicians wheel & deal, it could get more support....Remember who's in control of BOTH Houses! The leaders are rabidly anti-gun!
    That's true. They do know, however, that something like this would blow up in their faces if passed, IMO costing them both the presidency and both houses of congress. And, even as rabidly anti-gun and anti-freedom as they may be, their desire for power governs all.

    If we get a D president (no matter who it might be) and still have a D congress, though, I would be very very afraid of this bill and others like it being rushed into law as fast as they can be voted on.

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    Cool

    Rep. Rush of Illinois. What ya want to bet he's a democrat?

    quote on the house floor:

    "I urge all of my colleagues to support Blairís Bill and send a message that we are fed up with domestic terrorism. Support HR 2666 and letís get these guns off of our streets."

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    Not so sure it would pass...something this big to pass would possibly start a not so civil war...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob The Great View Post
    If we get a D president (no matter who it might be) and still have a D congress, though, I would be very very afraid of this bill and others like it being rushed into law as fast as they can be voted on.
    It still requires sixty votes in the Senate to bring issues to a vote. God help us if the liberals get that far.

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    Not so sure it would pass...something this big to pass would possibly start a not so civil war...
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    "I urge all of my colleagues to support Blairís Bill and send a message that we are fed up with domestic terrorism. Support HR 2666 and letís get these guns off of our streets."
    See the spin? This is a way to get more support for it, bu calling it 'Domestic Terrorism', you get the uninformed on board & it makes politicians uncomfortable voting against a bill that touts reducing 'domestic terrorism'.....even when it does no such thing.

    Who knows...it could be renamed the 'Civil Rights Act of 2007'.................now can you really see ANY politician voting AGAINST A CIVIL RIGHTS BILL?
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    It seems like every month we get a new attempt to regulate our constitutional right to defend ourselves or some other Constitutional right. Do you know that when Benjamin Franklin signed the Constitution he was so sick he had to be carried to the table and when he signed it he cried! Why do we allow this to go on? When are we the people of the United States going to put a stop to this? When are the voters, particularly the veterans, who live in the East, Northeast, and the West Coast going to stand up and throw people like Ted Kennedy, Patrick Leahy, Arlen Specter, et. al. out on their ears. Why haven't you people who live in those states been knocking on their door and demanding that they either work within the bounds of our Constitution and leave law-abiding people alone, or they go home!! Are we the people of the U.S. so cowed by these pseudo-Americans that we are afraid to tell them how we feel? My gosh folks, Ted Kennedy's dad was a BOOTLEGGER and Ted is a drunk and a murderer!! There is no difference between the Kennedy family and Al Capone's family. At least, Al Capone was honest enough to show people he was crooked. The Kennedys and at least half of our Senate and Congressmen hide behind the walls of the Senate and Congress; steal from the people who for some insane reason, voted for them and continue to do so, and feather their own nests. We wouldn't tolerate that behavior from Babyface Nelson or Jesse James and at least they had the courtesy to wear a mask. Please read the Constitution! That document gives us the right; no the responsibility; to throw the garbage in Washington out when it begins to stink!
    I apologize for the sermon, but it infuriates me that the citizenry of this country deserve a government worthy of our founders and all we ever get is a circus Volkswagen full of clowns! The same circus every year with the same Democrat and Republican clowns and their routine is getting real old in my opinion.

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    ...again...what part is not understood??

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    Oooooh I see a scathing letter in the very near future to my senators and congressmen...

    Will post it here when I'm done, might take a day or two to get my wording correct.


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    (5) gun violence in the United States is associated with the majority of homicides, over half the suicides, and two-thirds of non-fatal violent injuries;

    That doesn't seem possible or likely. 2/3 of non fatal violent injuries are caused by guns as opposed to bare fists, feet, knives, rocks or baseball bats and other bludgeoning instruments? I don't think so.

    But the real point of this is that they are "feeling out" public sentiment. "How much support can we get for this now?" and actually to a lot of non-gun type of people (as opposed to anti-gun) a lot of this probably looks very "reasonable" to them.

    We certainly look at this and recognize that, included infringements aside, it's a necessary first step towards prohibition and confiscation.

    I wouldn't dismiss this too offhandedly. I don't think it has a great chance of going very far but we need to look at this as, at the least, kind of a "scouting mission" for the antis to see what they can get away with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    Not so sure it would pass...something this big to pass would possibly start a not so civil war...
    Yeah right.
    A lot of Americans today dont even have a clue who the Vice president is or the bill of rights.
    Let alone want to miss the next episode of American Idol. And you think the American public are going to dig trenches and fight the US Military?
    As much as I wish we all would band together and take our country back, it wont happen in this generation or the next.
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