California's done it again...

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    This idea has so many holes, it's ridiculous.

    Once the locations of the stamps are found, it would be a simple matter for a criminal to take a piece of sandpaper to them, or to just polish every surface that contacts the casing. I don't care if it's made illegal. It's probably already illegal for him to have the gun in the first place.

    Replacement firing pins or barrels will become impossible to get, since they will have to be matched with the serial number of the frame. Every piece will have to be custom ordered and engraved. Although, I'm not sure if the bill applies to replacement parts as well. If it doesn't, it's even stupider than I thought.

    Fired brass is not exactly difficult to come by. A quick stop by any shooting range will net plenty. Framing a random gun-owner (or a dozen of them) would be ridiculously easy. Even if you manage to gather up every casing after a range session, what do you do with them all? Melt them down?

    Even if the serial number of the gun is known and unquestionably tied to a shooting, how exactly does that lead you to the shooter? A 4473 check will only yield the original purchaser, not anyone he may have sold the gun to, nor anyone who may have stolen it from him.

    I certainly hope gov. Ahnold sees the holes in this bill. He's been talking about the GOP needing to "regain the center" recently (which means becoming more liberal), and I'm sure all the ridiculous feel-good gun control ideas are on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivers View Post
    Yeah, it's called a felony. That disqualifies you from any gun ownership, or chance of CCW. Ever.

    This isn't a totally done deal. If we can influence Gov. Swarzenegger to veto this bill, this slows its momentum in other states and nationally. By helping here and now, you're helping yourself later.

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    Understood Rivers. Criminal is as criminal does. I don't think a criminal will be concerned if its a felony by taking off the micro stamp or be able to legally CCW. Thats my point. They wont locate a shooter as they will doctor the pin, police the brass, use a revolver or buy pre-stamped weapons . What a joke. Appears the California political faction will never understand. Good luck with your efforts to defeat this bill.
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    Hmmm. Am I the only one who sees a rise in the sales of revolvers in California? Not only do they not have to have anything stamp the serial number, etc. on the casing, but they actually keep the brass anyway.

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    Ok... so no crimes will be committed with the new guns. There are plenty of older guns in the criminal world already.

    This only identifies the handgun, not the shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    This only identifies the handgun, not the shooter.
    I think it identifies a handgun, not the handgun... brass is merely circumstantial evidence at best.

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    If they can't trace 12 million illegals...how are they going to trace 300 million guns...

    I say nuke the San Andreas Fault...let CA fall into the ocean...I want to buy Nevada ocean front property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    If they can't trace 12 million illegals...how are they going to trace 300 million guns...

    I say nuke the San Andreas Fault...let CA fall into the ocean...I want to buy Nevada ocean front property.
    Ditto!

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    Who believes that anything etched microscopically into a firing pin to "stamp" a cartridge casing can long endure and continue to stamp reliably?!

    If an anti-gunner says he believes it, he's either a moron or he's lying. Either one is not acceptable. But it does go to demonstrate that they are totally full of it when it comes to pretending that they push gun control because of a belief that it can really work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    If they can't trace 12 million illegals...how are they going to trace 300 million guns...

    I say nuke the San Andreas Fault...let CA fall into the ocean...I want to buy Nevada ocean front property.
    It's just too bad that the San Andreas Fault is a strike-slip fault and really just means that the two sides are moving North-South relative to each other.

    Would that it were possible for California to fall into the sea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimpy View Post
    Given the level of brilliance demonstrated by the legislators in California, I wouldn't be surprised if their next great idea isn't a law that would require everyone who uses a gun to write their name, address, and phone number on each and every bullet with a sharpie pen.
    Or a law requiring them to leave their name, address, date of birth, phone number, and e-mail address on a note pinned to the clothing of the victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey View Post
    Who believes that anything etched microscopically into a firing pin to "stamp" a cartridge casing can long endure and continue to stamp reliably?!
    It might be possible, but it'd require a super-hard alloy, probably tungsten or similar, or maybe even some type of diamond hybrid. $$$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob The Great View Post
    Once the locations of the stamps are found, it would be a simple matter for a criminal to take a piece of sandpaper to them, or to just polish every surface that contacts the casing. I don't care if it's made illegal. It's probably already illegal for him to have the gun in the first place.
    Yup; a Dremel tool would make quick work of any stamps. And even if it is illegal, why would this scare anyone? Would LEOs come around to check your guns periodically? The only way a non-criminal (well, I should say non-thug since I'd happily polish off any stamps on my guns, law be damned) would get caught is if they committed a lawful self-defense shooting, and then it was found out from the gun and brass that their stamps had been polished off. Yet another reason to flee the scene if you have to shoot someone, or if it's in your home, have some stamped brass and a matching firing pin handy to swap into your weapon and scatter on the ground.

    Replacement firing pins or barrels will become impossible to get, since they will have to be matched with the serial number of the frame. Every piece will have to be custom ordered and engraved. Although, I'm not sure if the bill applies to replacement parts as well. If it doesn't, it's even stupider than I thought.
    I don't see how they'd keep anyone from sending such small parts through the mail, especially firing pins. Someone could set up a booming business of mail-order stampless firing pins.

    Fired brass is not exactly difficult to come by. A quick stop by any shooting range will net plenty. Framing a random gun-owner (or a dozen of them) would be ridiculously easy. Even if you manage to gather up every casing after a range session, what do you do with them all? Melt them down?
    Yep, that's pretty scary. Don't leave your brass lying around or you might get framed for a shooting.

    I certainly hope gov. Ahnold sees the holes in this bill. He's been talking about the GOP needing to "regain the center" recently (which means becoming more liberal), and I'm sure all the ridiculous feel-good gun control ideas are on the list.
    "regaining the center" doesn't mean becoming more liberal, it means becoming less fascist, which is where the Republican party is right now. They need to move back towards libertarianism, and standing for freedom and liberty, and standing against ever-increasing taxes and bloated government; that's what average Americans really want. Instead, we have the Democrats who want to create a huge government to tax us and erect a socialist's paradise, and the Republicans who want to create a huge government to create tons of extra funny money and spend it ("deficit spending"), start a bunch of foreign wars over resources and power, and take away all our liberties and turn us into powerless minions for huge corporations. They both suck, and our only hope is to vote for libertarian-leaning candidates like Ron Paul. I'm fast losing faith that the American people will smarten up in time, and it's looking like Hillary is going to be our next Commander in Chief.

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    Just another reason I wont go back to CA. I lived there for a few years and wont ever go back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwolsten View Post
    "regaining the center" doesn't mean becoming more liberal, it means becoming less fascist, which is where the Republican party is right now.
    Somehow, I don't think that's what Schwarzenneggar had in mind. I really think he meant less conservative, more liberal. I guess neither of us really know, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by dwolsten View Post
    They need to move back towards libertarianism, and standing for freedom and liberty, and standing against ever-increasing taxes and bloated government
    I'll drink to that.

    Quote Originally Posted by dwolsten View Post
    They both suck, and our only hope is to vote for libertarian-leaning candidates like Ron Paul. I'm fast losing faith that the American people will smarten up in time, and it's looking like Hillary is going to be our next Commander in Chief.
    God, I hope not. Personally, I think Fred Thompson is the strongest way to both avoid a Hillary presidency and start moving back towards small and liberty-protecting government. If Dr. Paul gets the nomination, I'll sure as heck vote for him, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneRanger View Post
    Just another reason I wont go back to CA. I lived there for a few years and wont ever go back...
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