Single Issue Voter

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    Single Issue Voter

    This is an article that I found interesting. Many accuse me of being a "single issue" voter. I have always said that if a candidate is as avidly pro 2A as I am they are usually where I am when it comes to the war, immigration, welfare, abortion and other issues. Not always, but quite often. What do you think?

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    Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

    by L. Neil Smith

    Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

    People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

    Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.

    If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

    If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

    What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons -- conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

    If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

    If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you want to entrust him with anything?

    If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like "Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

    Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.

    He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school -- or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe -- and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

    And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

    Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

    On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

    Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

    And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

    But it isn't true, is it?
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    Cool

    Very insightful. I like it.


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    +1.... very good!
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    He just expressed in a very eloquent way what I try to explain to people when they ask why I focus on a politician's position on guns.

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    A lot of the politicians who are more or less with us on guns are not where I am on other issues.

    But candor compels me to acknowledge the truth and worth of havegunjoe's "Smith Litmus test".

    He's right. If some dude doesn't think you're entitled or competent to save your own life, he is unworthy of trust.

    He (or she) calls into question the value of your vote for him (or her). If I can't be trusted to protect me and mine, I sure as hell shouldn't be trusted with voting.
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    I also think the fact that most strong 2A supporters will vote based primarily on 2A stances of polititians gives us political power beyond our numbers. I know a lot of folks who woud say they are not anti 2A but favor some form of "reasonable gun control" don't vote solely on that issue because it is not a passion for most of them and they may not even know how the candidate they support stands on the issue. Most of us are passionate on 2A issues and it weighs heavily on how we vote and most of us always vote.
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    Havegunjoe, My hat is off to you for that find! That is by far, the best written stand for those of us that believe in voting based on defending the constitution.

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    Ok, I may get flamed for this, but what the heck.......
    So, if I am reading this right the author has no problem with convicted violent criminals, children, and the mentally incompetent being able to walk into a hardware store and walk out with automatic weapons, and we should oppose any politician that disagrees with him.
    Does no one else have a problem with that?

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    I don't believe that is what he said....

    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Ok, I may get flamed for this, but what the heck.......
    So, if I am reading this right the author has no problem with convicted violent criminals, children, and the mentally incompetent being able to walk into a hardware store and walk out with automatic weapons, and we should oppose any politician that disagrees with him.
    Does no one else have a problem with that?
    He said, "If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child".. He never metioned crimianls or the metally incompetent. He talks about his "average constituent". Also don't forget under 18 is considered a child, sometimes all the way up to 21 even.
    DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONtestING THE VOTE.

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    Correct HGJ, he did say "any" as in anyone.

    As well he made no qualifier at all to take into account the mentally unfit of which there is a large and growing percentage of amongst the population. That's been covered and discussed at length in threads prior and recent never mind the news at large (e.g. Cho Seung Hui). The author made no mention to except criminals either be they past (i.e. felons) or present who are also constituents on the average.
    Criminals include not just burglars and carjackers but rapists, child molesters, check kiters, scammers, white collar thieves and other persons who very likely appear on the outside to be and look just like us and are our neighbors as well as those who are already convicted of crime(s) and back on the streets and/or paroled.

    He made no exceptions what so ever and said; "If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you."

    And what exactly is a "responsible child" anyway?
    By wide law a child is a minor and a minor is a person who is 17 or younger. An adult is a person who is 18 and older. The only exceptions to this are toward buying a pistol and purchasing liquor which kicks in at 21.
    Otherwise an 18 yr. old young adult is considered just that and can sign durable contracts, will go to big boy prison if they mess up, and is allowed to go off to war too. A few states will allow children to marry at as early as 16 but to this discussion that's not relevant.
    I know of not too many responsible children in general and if he's okay with firearms being allowed for sale to them then why not alcohol too and lets do away with provisional licenses and drivers permit rules for teens. Just give out a drivers license to any and all who ask for one and call it okay.

    I agree with MCP...this guy the author I could not get behind if he were running for office. Atleast not without some more detail and explanation toward what appears to be a completely simplistic and old world ideal of living.
    I fill out roughly the same forms to purchase and go home with a gun as I do a motor vehicle. Folks aren't bellyaching about the forms they have to fill out for their local Ford or Harley dealer that also goes to a state registry.

    I don't know too many people in general at large who agree with me on every point toward any and everything even amongst my closest friends and relatives too. That is normal and human and I don't expect as much either.
    To imagine locating of all people a politician in specific to do same and/or to vote for one because they _say_ they do on a singular point and to assume/hope/suppose they will do so toward all of my other concerns and views seems to me to be somewhat short sighted and possibly even naive.

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    I am sorry but I don't think he was including criminals or the insane when he refereed to a politicians "average constituent". Not unless he happens to be the representative of Devil's Island or some such place. He would be referring to people like you and me who make up the vast majority of his and just about anyones constituency.
    DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONtestING THE VOTE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by havegunjoe View Post



    If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.
    Ok, so if we don't produce any ID or sign any paper, how does he propose to keep the weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill, convicted felons and irresponsible children? How are we supposed to identify these people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by havegunjoe View Post
    ...What do you think?

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    ...Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put...

    ...They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.

    ...I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

    But it isn't true, is it?
    There is a lot of truth here, and I also find myself being a single-issue voter. The reason is simple, without 2A...you will eventually lose the others...
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    The single issue is "control"

    The gun issue discussed here is a surrogate for the broader question of "control".

    Does the politician want the government to control you, or will you be allowed to control yourself? Obviously there is a balance to be struck here, somewhere between anarchy and Orwell's "1984". But where on that scale does the politician stand?

    His position on gun control is an indicator.

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    It always amazes me when one politician will trumpet the sanctity of one set of rights, while eagerly casting aside another. As Janq has stated quite well, the simplistic approach doesn't always work when complex issues are on the table. I can't be a single-issue voter.
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