OK Fed judge says no locked guns in the lot
This is a discussion on OK Fed judge says no locked guns in the lot within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by ronwill
While I agree with you, care must be taken when stripping any right. Once it gets started it will be hard ...
October 15th, 2007 08:18 PM
Yes, there are idiots and misinformed people in this world. That, however, doesn't strip me of my right to defend my life. Notice that I said other rights, such as property rights, must yield to the right to life. That doesn't mean I believe that my right to life invalidates your property rights, only that when the two conflict, my right to life trumps your property rights. When they are not in conflict, your property rights are intact.
Originally Posted by ronwill
As to employers: I am aware of companies that allow the general public to carry but prohibit by policy their own employees from carrying. That is, to put it bluntly, assinine and violates the rights of the employees.
Prohibiting by policy guns in employees cars is likewise a violation of the employees' right to self-defense of life, unless the company is going to provide transportation from doorstep to doorstep for every employee and undertake to provide for the defense of the employees during the trip. It is not enough to say "park off company property."
October 15th, 2007 10:19 PM
As I previously wrote, I really think that we should politely agree to disagree. Your right to defend your life does not give you the legal right to bring a gun onto my property against my wishes. And by the property owner doing so, they are not invalidating your right to life. It is simple: don't go onto their premises or seek employment by the company and your life is not at risk.
Originally Posted by SCGuy
You keep refering to your rights being violated, but don't cite any legal source of authority for those statements. I understand that you are expressing your opinion, which I respect. I happen to think that you are wrong, but fully understand where you are coming from, which is why made my earlier suggestion.
"It does not do to leave a dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him."
J. R. R. Tolkien
October 15th, 2007 11:11 PM
Federal judges are lifetime appointments.
Originally Posted by edr9x23super
It's part of that "Independent Judiciary" and "Checks & Balances" thing.
October 16th, 2007 04:12 AM
Actually, no "trumping" is involved with a balancing of two such rights. Simply, citizens have a right to life. Property owners have a right to control access to one's own property. A property owner's right to require someone's absence stops short of the point of delivering murder as penalty for being present. Likewise, a visitor's right to carry a weapon stops short of the point of that trumping the owner's request that the person go elsewhere. Unless murder is given in exchange for entry to a property, no deprivation of life has occurred.
Originally Posted by SCGuy
I, too, would love to carry anywhere and everywhere I go. But not at the expense of having say over who enters my home. Balance over absolutism. We're fortunate that this principle still stands.
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