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    Yay for zero tolerance!!!

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...shoot1029.html

    17-year-old disciplined for shotgun shells at school
    District overreacted in punishing athlete for ammo in SUV, family says

    Erin Zlomek
    The Arizona Republic
    Oct. 29, 2007 12:00 AM
    Surprise high-school senior Kim Peters carries an Olympic identification badge and an Arizona skeet-shooting members' card, but neither got her out of a four-day suspension for bringing shotgun shells onto school grounds.

    The 17-year-old started competitive clay shooting her freshman year at the urging of her mom and stepfather.

    She has since won several trophies in the male-dominated sport and in August was one of 18 athletes across the nation to attend this year's Junior Olympic shooting camp in Colorado Springs, Colo.

    But the hobby got Peters into trouble last week. Willow Canyon High School administrators disciplined Peters after a security guard noticed two unopened boxes of the shells sitting in the back seat of the student's white sport utility vehicle. There was no gun.

    Peters said her 12-hours-a-week practice schedule got so hectic that she forgot to unload the ammunition from her vehicle as she was running late for school Tuesday morning.

    To beat the bell, she said she took a shortcut and parked in a visitors-only lot closest to the school. The guard spotted the shells while ticketing her for parking in the non-student area.

    Now, Peters fears the resulting punishment will cloud her permanent record as she applies to colleges. Her family is fighting the Dysart Unified School District to get the offense, possession of a "dangerous instrument," expunged.

    Administrators stand by their decision and rejected the family's first appeal last week.

    "We can never comment on a specific situation with a student (due to privacy laws), but what I can say is that whenever we are dealing with any infraction . . . our duties involve keeping students in a safe and secure environment," Dysart Superintendent Gail Pletnick said.

    Peters called her own actions "careless" but said she doesn't feel the punishment fits the crime.

    "They searched me and they searched my car," she said.

    Searchers discovered that Peters had cigarettes in the car, an offense also punishable by suspension. Though Peters technically violated three school rules, she was punished only for the shells, according to a Dysart disciplinary-incident form sent home with Peters.

    Arguing that Peters proved she regularly uses the shells for sport, her father, Tony, asked administrators to swap the ammunition offense for the cigarette offense. Tony said he felt anyone requesting his daughter's behavior records might be more sympathetic to a "tobacco" violation vs. a "dangerous instrument" violation. He said he feels the latter unfairly implies that his daughter brought a gun or bomb into the school building. When officials refused to make the swap, Tony accused the district of overreacting and trying to make an inappropriate example out of his daughter.

    The Peterses also cite a 2007 federal education statute that explicitly excludes shotguns and shotgun shells from being categorized as a destructive device because they are primarily used for sport. Despite the statute, districts are free to take disciplinary actions where they see fit, according to the Arizona Department of Education.

    Pletnick said that school shootings at Columbine High School and Virginia Tech have forced school districts everywhere to re-evaluate and tighten their safety standards.

    Peters said she is still trying to drum up support for her position and has started by contacting some of her target-shooting mentors.

    Zach Snow, a promotions coordinator with the National Shooting Sports Foundation, said other athletes have reported similar complaints in the past, prompting professional shooters and the National Rifle Association to come to their defense.

    He said the most notable case was when a group of students was sent home for wearing foundation T-shirts, which pictured a silhouette of a shooter holding a rifle. But Snow said to his knowledge, Peters' situation is the first of its kind.

    She is scheduled to return to school Tuesday.



    So why don't they bust the baseball players for carrying bats in their cars...cant those be construed as "dangerous weapons"????

    Silly how they try to stomp out the over achievers.


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    Ridiculous. Seems as though the only reason they are doing this is publicity,and to show others "what will happen" kind of thing,I fail to see how ammo without even a way of firing it, should be a punishable offense. Oh and BTW,I recently was chatting with a LEO who was saying something along the lines of "if you get caught with a baseball bat in the car, you d___ well better have a ball mit and glove in there too" .


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    My thoughts re the baseball bats exactly. A bat is a heck of a lot more dangerous than a box of shells with nothing to fire them out of...

    I hate zero tolerance, I hate "possession" laws of all sorts when it comes to things like this, I hate the fact that people think suspending a good student for a minor oversight somehow makes the school more "safe."
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    When I went to school it wasn't uncommon to see a 30/30 Winchester in a back window rifle rack of a pickup parked on campus. How sad to see what we've become. How sad to be a kid nowadays.

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    Schools should not be making it more difficult for kids to participate in healthy, legal sports and activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBrombach View Post
    Schools should not be making it more difficult for kids to participate in healthy, legal sports and activities.
    +1 so true,I didn't even think about that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wmhawth View Post
    When I went to school it wasn't uncommon to see a 30/30 Winchester in a back window rifle rack of a pickup parked on campus. How sad to see what we've become. How sad to be a kid nowadays.
    Lol - same here and I went to HS in the 90's so it wasn't too far back.
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    Parents and Grandparents should be pushing for schools to reinstate shooting sports. They used to be there, and they are still in the Olympics, how are our future olympic contenders going to start if we don't help them.

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    Why did they search her car? Under what authority?? Was the PD involved or some over anxious administrator.

    This is BS.

    The school (district) administration needs a smack across the head in the form of a lawsuit. Hint: zero tolerance doesn't work. Punish the bad kids for breaking the law; punish the good kids for breaking a rule (law <> rule).
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    I'm really glad I'm out of school...

    "Zero tolerance" = "Zero thought"
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    What if she wasn't a target shooter? What if she just was your average joe who likes to shoot? Does that change anything? What if she lived someplace where people went hunting after school?

    It sucks that this is happening to her, but really... Its the school trying to play the "QUICK!!! C.Y.A.!!" game. I'm agreed that maybe she is being punished rather harshly, but she did violate a pretty major school code.

    Maybe if this had taken place outside the Phoenix-Metro area, it would've been a little more discreet. Arizona is a big gun state, but not generally around the bigger cities like Phoenix and Tucson.
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    Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence if you ask me. It frees administrators from having to think and make tough decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob The Great View Post
    "Zero tolerance" = "Zero thought"
    Heavy on the latter my friend. So sad yet so true.
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    Would not matter IMHO if she was on the "shooting team" or not. The fact is that the school district is going out of its way to harm the reputation of this girl to make an example of her.

    Its perfectly fine for her to drive around a 4000lb SUV with speeds capable of 100 MPH, but some shotgun shells in there then shes deserving of a HUGE punishment.

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    Sure is sad when professional educators teach 'stupid'.
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