LEO saw the gun
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November 9th, 2007 08:33 AM
NYPD must be pretty close to six digit badge numbers. You need a large pad and pencil to copy it down !
Oh I understand that, but it really doesnít mean a hill of beans to anyone not in L.E., unless we are talking about a P.D. that is so huge officers are a number instead of a person. The only one that I know of that still operates that way is N.Y.P.D., and Iím not sure if they even do still.
For some reason, people seem to think that "asking for your badge number" will cause fear and cause you to back off. All I ever did was hand them a business card with my name and badge number on it. Unless a summons was being issued in which case they already had both. Seems everyone likes to throw around the threat of "suing". Rarely do they every go through with it.
As it has been pointed out numerous times, only one side is being portrayed here. Want to bet the other side is vastly different.
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November 9th, 2007 08:33 AM
November 9th, 2007 10:08 AM
I think all points that could be made have been made, and we are just recycling the same tired points that have nothing to do with the topic.
Guys, my last point in this thread is this; Before you start whining and crying about rights being violated and those mean LEO's, know what your rights are and are not. Your rights do not rank higher than anyone elses, inclding the LEO's.
I'm out of this silliness.
November 9th, 2007 10:52 AM
Last edited by HotGuns; November 9th, 2007 at 03:57 PM.
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November 9th, 2007 11:43 AM
Read only the first post to avoid the inevitable.
I would file the paperwork complaint. Sounds like a FNG that needs some paperwork in his file so he'll start thinking on the job instead of just reacting.
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November 9th, 2007 02:56 PM
This is what you should relate to the Chief when you send him a letter.
Originally Posted by Herknav
I don't think the young LEO was out of line for what he did, just HOW he did it.
Take your emotions out of it and become part of the solution by getting the officer some remedial training. Focus on officer and public safety as the issue, not your felony stop.
November 9th, 2007 03:18 PM
file the complaint and hook him up
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November 9th, 2007 05:50 PM
Absolutely right this guy signed on and gets a pay check to uphold the law and the Constitution. If he has puddin in his drawers and the sight of a gun makes him wet his panties maybe he should get another job. He is very lucky he did not get himself dead. We have kids in a hostile country who every day come in contact with people they know would happily kill them who have full automatic weapons and those kids do not over react the way this guy did.
Originally Posted by SIXTO
What would the probable cause be? The legal possession of a car Legally driving the car? Possession of a valid driver license registration and insurance? The legal concealed weapons permits? Or would you be talking about the legal possession of a firearm, properly and legally carried? Just curious what you think the probable cause was to search our car. What crime did they have reason to believe had occurred? If any crime at all was committed he is the perp.
Originally Posted by SIXTO
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Those who would, deny, require permit, license, certification, or authorization for me to bear arms are as vile, dangerous & evil as those who would molest, abuse, assault, rape or murder my family
November 9th, 2007 05:58 PM
Ya know Longrider, I'm startin' to think you're just stirring the pot to watch it bubble. Either this was a big deal, where the officer made some major mistakes or it wasn't. If it was, you ought to do what it takes to rectify the situation. If it wasn't you ought to move on and leave it alone. There's always two sides to these discussions, the guys that think that just about anything a LEO does is warranted for no other reason than he is an LEO and above the Law. And the people who think that an LEO is just as responsible for his behavior as a normal citizen and ought to be dealt with accordingly. Pick what side you are on and act accordingly.
November 9th, 2007 08:29 PM
Then there's yet ANOTHER side....
Originally Posted by blueyedevil
...those (like me) who believe that, while the LEO was justified in escalating his response, the specific METHODS he chose were applied very poorly.
I don't recall anyone in this thread saying that the LEO did absolutely nothing wrong. I think we're all in agreement that he could have (and SHOULD have) handled the situation in a more calm and less threatening manner. And, for that matter, with better control of both himself and the vehicle occupants.
Cops cannot be excused from any wrongdoing simply because they are cops, but, by the same token, the unique aspects of their job warrant some consideration, which rarely apply to the "average citizen".
November 10th, 2007 02:29 PM
My feelings and thoughts with "AMH" as well. Sounds like a rookie LEO!
I've carried for over 31 years and the first city I started carrying in, all those years ago, was Seattle! Never had a problem with the PDs, never had it seen or taken away from me.
Sounds like a bad day. Wonder what the other 4 LEOs were thinking!
November 10th, 2007 08:08 PM
I thought we already hashed this out earlier in the thread. I am starting to think you are just wanting to stir it up a bit. I dont know how else to explain it. I've over simplified it for the members here. We have gone through this step by step, I dont see the point in starting from square one again. I think my signature line applies here too.
Originally Posted by LongRider
November 10th, 2007 09:06 PM
This one Has run its course and just going it Circles .. So say Good Night to it