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Congressman Ron Paul on the Second Amendment

This is a discussion on Congressman Ron Paul on the Second Amendment within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; BAC, when Congressman Paul can pass lower tiered candidates like Huckabee (at about 10%) or (gag) McCain at (13%) in nationwide polls, he is "electable" ...

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    BAC, when Congressman Paul can pass lower tiered candidates like Huckabee (at about 10%) or (gag) McCain at (13%) in nationwide polls, he is "electable" by my own definition. And I'd vote FOR him over Rudy or any other RINO in a PRIMARY if that tells you where my politics rest.
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    Not only would I vote for Ron Paul if he were on the ballot, I have voted for him for President in the past. Were he to win, it would be the first time someone I voted for won an election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdog View Post
    BAC, when Congressman Paul can pass lower tiered candidates like Huckabee (at about 10%) or (gag) McCain at (13%) in nationwide polls, he is "electable" by my own definition. And I'd vote FOR him over Rudy or any other RINO in a PRIMARY if that tells you where my politics rest.
    So you're saying you'll wait for him to get popular before you vote for him? Isn't that counter-intuitive, and more importantly counter-productive? If everyone were to weigh things by your definition, would anyone ever change from their "default" popularity? Example: Rudy's "popular", but not for the "great things" he's done.

    I can't say I follow your logic, sheepdog. If you care about the elections then participate in them (read: if you want your candidate, your preferred candidate, to win, support them). This passive attitude is the reason we have to fight every damn year against bills trying to curtail rights of the citizens, especially those protected by the Second Amendment.



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    The sad part is, I don't think he has a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supertac45 View Post
    The sad part is, I don't think he has a chance.
    If you were in a situation where your life hung in the balance, and you didn't think you had much of a chance, would you not even bother trying?

    What if it was your freedom at stake, rather than your life?

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    The people who think Ron Paul do not have a chance have never stared fear and adversity in the face and laughed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supertac45 View Post
    The sad part is, I don't think he has a chance.
    Do you support him?

    I think the sad part is that citizens of some conflict-torn country like Myanmar are willing to fight non-violently and die violently for an attempt at freedom, and we citizens in the only country founded on freedom are afraid to vote for who we want to vote for because of their perceived popularity in the eyes of the media these same citizens know are biased.

    That is what's sad.


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    I have to say ( i know bad me ) that ill vote for paul right after i vote for hilldibeast . Paul imho is a loose cannon with the fuse lit and if he should get the nomination ill start digging the bunker to safe time before the inauguration rush . Sorry folks but his bubble gum isolationist foreign policy alone is enough to rule him out in my book . Then when you couple it with the support of the " White supremicests " out there , and it seems he has been published in thier newsletters , ect .. i just wont support him . Hildibeast i know , Paul is the enemy i really dont . Ill take my chances with a known danger . The best thing i can say about paul is that he has traditionally been ineffective in getting any of his out there ideas enacted legislatively .

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    Just curious, and not attacking you at all, but do you have anything in particular that supports your claims? Specifically the "loose cannon" and how he would be bad at all. He bases decisions on the Constitution; how unpredictable is that?

    And stop calling him an isolationist. He's not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs View Post
    I have to say ( i know bad me ) that ill vote for paul right after i vote for hilldibeast . Paul imho is a loose cannon with the fuse lit and if he should get the nomination ill start digging the bunker to safe time before the inauguration rush . Sorry folks but his bubble gum isolationist foreign policy alone is enough to rule him out in my book . Then when you couple it with the support of the " White supremicests " out there , and it seems he has been published in thier newsletters , ect .. i just wont support him . Hildibeast i know , Paul is the enemy i really dont . Ill take my chances with a known danger . The best thing i can say about paul is that he has traditionally been ineffective in getting any of his out there ideas enacted legislatively .

    If i offended anyone i apologize for the offense , tho not the opinion, or answering the " paul's our boy " post .
    I think comparing him to someone that's against individual liberty and thus the 2nd Amendment was a great disservice. Arguably the one honest man in Congress and you compared him to a raging anti-gun socialist. Then you proceed to call him something he's not (isolationist != non-interventionist). You should probably take the time to read up on him before comparing him to basically his political opposite.
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    HR 1585 which is the 2008 Defense Authorization Bill is an evil piece of legislation that actually gives authorization to the U.S. military to plan a future merger with the police that will be used during a catastrophic emergency. This bill authorizes the Department of Defense to design a plan for a martial law apparatus. There is no question that the U.S. government is seeking to ratchet up the militarized police state as they anticipate massive resistance to the coming collapse of our economy and war with Iran. This bill is yet another step in the direction for the implementation of a militarized police state in this country.

    Section 1615 of the bill describes the determination of department of defense civil support requirements. Subsection (a) states the following regarding the determination of requirements.

    SEC. 1615. DETERMINATION OF DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CIVIL SUPPORT REQUIREMENTS.

    (a) Determination of Requirements - The Secretary of Defense shall determine the military-unique capabilities needed to be provided by the Department of Defense to support civil authorities in an incident of national significance or a catastrophic incident.

    So another words, the Secretary of Defense is going to determine what military capabilities will be provided to support civil authorities during a catastrophic emergency. If the military is providing support to civil authorities, that is essentially describing an unholy marriage of police and the military. In no uncertain terms, this bill authorizes the Department of Defense to draw up plans for martial law which will be enforced through a combination of the military and the police.

    In addition, the Secretary of Defense is to develop a plan that will sustain this martial law apparatus for five years as shown below in section (b).

    (b) Plan for Funding Capabilities-

    (1) PLAN- The Secretary of Defense shall develop and implement a plan, in coordination with the Secretaries of the military departments and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for providing the funds and resources necessary to develop and maintain the following:

    (A) The military-unique capabilities determined under subsection (a).

    (B) Any additional capabilities determined by the Secretary to be necessary to support the use of the active components and the reserve components of the armed forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.

    (2) TERM OF PLAN- The plan required under paragraph (1) shall cover at least five years.

    Section 1621 of the bill describes how they intend to increase the number of people in USNORTHCOM. Below is the appropriate subsection in which the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will submit a review of civilian and military positions within USNORTHCOM with the goal of increasing the number of reservists and civilians employed by USNORTHCOM. Clearly, they are anticipating massive civil unrest in this country if they intend on increasing the manpower available to USNORTHCOM.

    (a) Manpower Review-

    (1) REVIEW BY CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF- Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shall submit to the Secretary of Defense a review of the civilian and military positions, job descriptions, and assignments within the United States Northern Command with the goal of significantly increasing the number of members of a reserve component assigned to, and civilians employed by, the United States Northern Command who have experience in the planning, training, and employment of forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency response, and providing military support to civil authorities.

    It gets better. Section 1622 of the bill establishes a Council of Governors that will advise the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the White House on how they intend to integrate the National Guard into this martial law apparatus. The section is shown below.

    SEC. 1622. COUNCIL OF GOVERNORS.

    The President shall establish a bipartisan Council of Governors to advise the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the White House Homeland Security Council on matters related to the National Guard and civil support missions.

    The bottom line is that this bill authorizes the U.S. military to plan the integration of the military with civil authorities so they have a full fledged martial law apparatus to use in the event of any sort of catastrophic national emergency. The information in this bill lines up with what was described in the Vision 2020 document which is a document released by USNORTHCOM which describes the goal of a future North American martial law apparatus. It also lines up with NSPD-51/HSPD-20 which gives the President authoritarian powers during a catastrophic emergency. One thing is for sure, these people would not be wasting their time putting this stuff down on paper unless they have plans to use it.
    I am sworn to protect the Constitution of the U.S.A. from all threats both foreign and domestic.

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    I've been helping out with the Ron Paul '08 campaign here in Northern Az. We have been standing by the library here in Flagstaff on Sunday afternoons waving Ron Paul signs, (a great way to make the liberals in this town froth at the mouth) The most intelligent thing they have come up with is to flip us the bird!
    We have set up fundraisers, etc,etc. A great way to have fun with some people who share my views, and we are a decidedly a diverse crossection of the population. I do believe that Ron Paul has a good chance of winning this election. The American people are ready for a change, I guess you know how I will vote!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergeant Mac View Post

    Had Ron Paul been the President on 9/11/01, we might well have seen a mushroom cloud over the glowing crater that USED to be Kabul before the end of the month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumper View Post
    Nope, Mike Huckabee has a strong 2A background as a lifelong hunter (which he openly states is not the purpose of the second amendment), life member of the NRA and was responsible for bring concealed carry permits to Arkansas. I believe he was also the first Governor to have a concealed carry permit. He's about as strong as you can get on 2A....
    Therein lies the difference. One wants you to have a permit to exercise your right, the other doesn't think permits are necessary. Although, at least the permits have been done at the state level.
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