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    USA TODAY article: correlation between high gun ownership & low violence in Finland

    Gun ownership high, violence low in Finland

    By Alan Gomez and Oren Dorell, USA TODAY

    Finland, a country with a high number of guns but a low rate of gun violence, appeared stunned by a school shooting that left eight people dead and may consider revising its accommodating gun laws, Finnish experts said Wednesday.
    "This is quite a low-crime society in general," said Jan-Olof Nyholm, executive chief superintendent for the Finnish National Bureau of Investigation. "This type of tragedy hasn't happened (often)."

    Finnish Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen said the government will review its gun laws. "Definitely this will impact opinions about handguns," he said.

    An 18-year-old entered Jokela High School in Tuusula on Wednesday and killed seven students and the school's principal before killing himself.

    Jukka Savolainen, a criminologist at the Finnish Ministry of Justice, said gun crime is so rare in Finland because most of the country's firearms are hunting weapons. There are far fewer handguns, he said.

    Savolainen, now a visiting professor at the University of Minnesota, compares gun ownership in Finland to gun ownership in the rural USA. He said many U.S. shootings are in urban centers, where the drug trade and gangs escalate violence. "I'm from Helsinki, and I don't know anybody who owns a gun," he said.

    In Finland, anyone age 15 or older can apply for a gun license with local police if they are able to offer a valid reason. The easiest way to obtain a license is by joining a shooting or hunting club, as the Jokela gunman did in October.

    "Ownership of guns is quite liberal in Finland, and mostly it's a question of people who are hunting who have the guns," Nyholm said.

    Gun violence is rare. Finnish media reported that the last school shooting was in 1989 and involved a 14-year-old boy who killed two other students apparently for teasing him.

    The USA has seen far more school shootings, but it is also much larger. Finland's population is 5.3 million, compared with about 300 million in the USA.

    The latest multiple shooting in the USA was in April, when a student killed 32 people and then himself at Virginia Tech.

    In both the Virginia Tech and Finland shootings, the gunmen recorded videos of themselves that anticipated the crimes to come. Nyholm said it was too early to say whether one inspired the other.

    "How people are affected by things that happen overseas, other people will have to guess. But the world has gotten smaller, and things that happen elsewhere can have an affect here," he said.
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    Here is the real coorelating factor between school rampage killers...

    They all want recognition.

    Every one of us, from the media to the private citizen, is responsible every time we publish their names and photos. We are in a sick business relationship where we all know the coin exchanged but ignore it. Rampage killers promise to provide spectacle, blood, and body counts if we pay them with fame, even after their death. They kill, we publish, and the next one considerring doing business with the public gets to see that the "payment" they want is willingly paid in full on television, in print and online.

    These people would kill themselves quietly if we did not trade in human blood for their performance.

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    Per capita, Finland actually has more school shootings than we do. That's some food for thought.
    ...He suggested that "every American citizen" should own a rifle and train with it on firing ranges "at every courthouse." -Chesty Puller

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    Statistics can say anything. Per Capita when comparing 300+ million to 5.3 million for what is actually a very rare, but when it happens catastrophic, incident is not coorect.

    What were the Per Capita numbers between the two in 2006, 2005, 2004...

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    Jukka Savolainen, a criminologist at the Finnish Ministry of Justice, said gun crime is so rare in Finland because most of the country's firearms are hunting weapons. There are far fewer handguns, he said.
    Perhaps it is lost in translation, but was that an implication that there is so little crime in Finland because there is so few handguns there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musketeer View Post
    Statistics can say anything. Per Capita when comparing 300+ million to 5.3 million for what is actually a very rare, but when it happens catastrophic, incident is not coorect.

    What were the Per Capita numbers between the two in 2006, 2005, 2004...
    Why would the years themselves matter? Nothing substantial changed in legislation between the two countries in the last 10 years that would affect school shootings. They are super rare in the US as well despite what the media would have you believe.

    That's also why I said per capita. Anyone that knows what it means, realizes that there is a huge population disparity between our two countries. However, that doesn't change that when accounting for said disparity Finland has more school shootings than we do. If you shorten the timespan covered as long as there is a year in which they have a shooting, they still have more than us even if we have had several ( Per capita).
    ...He suggested that "every American citizen" should own a rifle and train with it on firing ranges "at every courthouse." -Chesty Puller

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    The Washington Post had a graphic in this mornings paper about firearms. Finland rates #3.

    Firearms per 100 people:
    US - 90
    Yemen - 61
    Finland - 56
    (Britain - 6)

    Note that is does say "firearms" so this is not just handguns. However it also stated that any Fin (of age) can own a handgun as long as it is properly registered at a "shooting club".
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    What do you want to bet that they will try move on a gun ban in Finland?
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    Firearms per 100 people:
    US - 90
    Yemen - 61
    Finland - 56
    (Britain - 6)

    Hopefully, someday I'll own that many firearms myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SammyIamToday View Post
    That's also why I said per capita. Anyone that knows what it means, realizes that there is a huge population disparity between our two countries. However, that doesn't change that when accounting for said disparity Finland has more school shootings than we do. If you shorten the timespan covered as long as there is a year in which they have a shooting, they still have more than us even if we have had several ( Per capita).
    When the compared numbers are so staggeringly different "per capita" is deceptive. It is like saying you have a 0.0000001% chance of being killed by an planet killer asteroid, but if it hits it kills everyone.

    I think the rarity of school shootings in Finland, the last one was a decade ago I believe, and fantastic difference in population makes a viable comparison impossible. This year they have far more per capita, last year they had an infinitely lower per capita number. I just think the scale is so far off that even a per capita number is not truly an accurate gauge.

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    I also agree, you will see a gun control push in Finland and it will pass.

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