This is a discussion on What do we do if SCOTUS votes against us?! within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I just saw a thread on another gun board that had this very concern. Some say they will get my bullets before my guns, others ...
I just saw a thread on another gun board that had this very concern. Some say they will get my bullets before my guns, others say they lost their firearms, and well some say we need to revolt.
What do you think you would do?
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Do not answer "What if" questions. If SCOTUS overturns the lower court decision no one has any idea what individual states or the US government will do. Therefore to even attempt to answer the question is foolish. Even the way that the determination is worded can have an affect on what kind of precident the decision sets. This can determine whether the decision affects all states or the federal government or only DC. Until the decision is made by SCOTUS any answer is just wishful thinking and a waste of time and energy.
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This is one of those things not worth worrying about until it gets to that point. I've got no idea
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They are left in full possession of them."
Zacharia Johnson (speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention,25 June 1778)"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." ~Alexander Hamilton
The makeup of SCOTUS is probably in our favor.
Just my best guess though I am not a devout court watcher.
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Dr. CMG, I think that at the heart of the question is the assumption that following an out-and-out anti-gun-rights decision, we'd experience an all-out attempt to utterly legislate guns into oblivion. We would, of course, still have those representatives who vote their consciences pro-gun to battle against the onslaught of radical ban legislations that might be promulgated; but at the very best we would still end up with some real bad anti legislation, because they'd send their worst, most un-constitional dream laws at us, knowing that they couldn't be struck down.
I don't think that even the most die-hard anti-gunners in Congress have the guts to follow up an anti-gun SCOTUS decision with "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in," regardless of all their brave talk. There would be hell to pay, and they know it. And we are, after all, talking about the same group of do-nothings who swore up and down in 2006 that they were going to yank us right out of Iraq, and they got elected, and what have they had the guts to attempt? Nothing. So even in the face of a full-on bad news SCOTUS decision, I think we'd be all right. That's not to say I don't care how it ends up; I want a pro-gun decision more than anything!
If they really do end up taking the huge poop on what we KNOW to be the TRUTH of the 2nd Amendment, I think I would not be hard to pursuade to ... I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
Yuppers...cross that bridge when it comes up
Should be very interesting...my understanding is the decision should be made public next summer...3 or so months from the presidential election. Hummmm.
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On one level, the answer is easy, and it's the answer to many other quesitons:
BUY MORE GUNS (and ammo).....
On a deeper level, it's a good question and a troubling one. There is no answer to it, really. We'll just have to wait and see just exactly what a bad decision says.
And, as others have already (rightly) pointed out, voting for pro-gun candidates would become even more important than it already is.
"...bad decisions that turn out well often make heroes."
Gary D. Mitchell, A Sniper's Journey: The Truth About the Man and the Rifle, P. 103, NAL Caliber books, 2006, 1st Ed.
Regretably, I think the court will not rule for an individual's right to own and bear arms. They would not have taken the case if they wanted to leave things the way the DC Appeals court left it. They could then sit back and see if other courts rule similarly in other districts--and only take an appeal if there is substantial disagreement among the appeals courts. (THe usual practice.)
Yes Alito is a conservative; but he is from New Jersey.
I don't think Roberts, Kennedy, or any of the others are going to be reliably 2A either. Not even Thomas. Only Scalia will.
The Supreme court has a habit of defering to the wishes of legislatures when possible, and they will find a way to do so in this case too. And keep in mind that they are a "law and order" court which routinely gives "the state" somewhat greater powers than the state should have.
What I think you will see is a ruling that makes the "right to bear arms" a collective rather than an individual right, and leaves to the individual states and Congress the right to legislate on the isssue--which does not necessarily mean that there will be immediate registration, confiscation, or widespread denial of permits. Rather, the status quo will be retained.
If they rule against.......
The states that are currently anti-gun, will be EVEN MORE ANTI! (Illinios, Md, Mass....etc...)
The pro-gun states will hopefully stay the same. Most of those have individual rights protected in their respective state Constitutions.
It would be a win for the anti's, but not a total lose for our side.
I am really surprised by the anti's interpretation of the 2A. Just because of their inner fear of the individual..... & their love of more government.....They have taken a very clear sentence & perverted it:
It does NOT say:Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the MILITIA to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
..........It says PEOPLE!, just as in all the other Amendments that refer to "the People", all of which refer to INDIVIDUALS.
The left in this country has done a good job in bastardizing the Bill of Rights at every opportunity they get. Just look at the term "Separation of Church & State". That term is NOT found in the Constitution, but the left brings it up all the time. They continue to attack Christmas displays, the Ten Commandments, school prayer....etc....Look at the part in the First Amendment I bolded below......Every time they have been successful at limiting someone from expressing their religious views, by banning Christmas Trees or prayer....etc.., they are going AGAINST the very words in the Amendment!...Yet they continue to get away with it....
The left will continue to attack the Constitution at every opportunity, if not the First or Second, then one or more of the others. Until there is no freedom left for us.......all that will remain is socialism.Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
No matter which way SCOTUS goes on this, the fight will continue, the losing side won't give up & things will remain pretty much as they are today. If we win, the anti's won't give up & if they win...we won't give up.....So the struggle will continue.
Also keep in mind that SCOTUS could come down with a 'Solomon' decision that upholds the individual right, BUT that allows DC & the states to enact whatever restrictions they desire...ala...States Rights....a decision that would in essence accomplish nothing. (This is what I think will be the probable outcome.)
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