NRA ignoring Ron Paul?

NRA ignoring Ron Paul?

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    NRA ignoring Ron Paul?

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    I've been browsing around the NRA sites this morning trying to find their take on Ron Paul and I was surprised that there is NO mention of him ANYWHERE. Considering he is the most "gun friendly" candidate by FAR in the 2008 elections, why is he being blacked out by the NRA? It really makes me wonder what the true motives and goals of the NRA are.

    By the way, I am dropping my NRA membership and signing up for a GOA membership.

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    i dont have any money to support political groups.
    but if i did i would personally join GOA over NRA. but if i had the money for both i would do both. they are both fighting for 2-A right. of course neither will be perfect.
    i am not all that surprised about the ron paul thing.
    i like him a lot but i dont think he is going to make it.
    just isnt getting any publicity

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    Quote Originally Posted by friesepferd View Post
    i dont have any money to support political groups.
    but if i did i would personally join GOA over NRA. but if i had the money for both i would do both. they are both fighting for 2-A right. of course neither will be perfect.
    i am not all that surprised about the ron paul thing.
    i like him a lot but i dont think he is going to make it.
    just isnt getting any publicity
    He's all over the net. And he's broken all sorts of records with fund-raising tactics, etc. I think with the right amount of exposure through volunteers and media - he'll get the necessary backing. Only the major candidates are getting on T.V. because they've been running for president since '06. Hillary because she's a woman and the ex-pres's wife. Barack because he's black (which brings up Oprah), and I'm not racist just making point. Guliani because he was the mayor of New York in the nations biggest crisis...

    Big media representation won't be afoot until Jan/Feb of '08
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    I imagine they don't like him because he didn't vote for the legislation to block people from suing firearms companies over murders. If you read his explanation it was contradictory to the Constitution and the court's system should be throwing away frivilous cases.

    I tend to agree with him on that, but some of the more guns only people will disagree and say that it was needed legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stickybeatz View Post
    http://www.nrapublications.org/celebration/default.asp

    I've been browsing around the NRA sites this morning trying to find their take on Ron Paul and I was surprised that there is NO mention of him ANYWHERE. Considering he is the most "gun friendly" candidate by FAR in the 2008 elections, why is he being blacked out by the NRA? It really makes me wonder what the true motives and goals of the NRA are.

    By the way, I am dropping my NRA membership and signing up for a GOA membership.

    www.gunowners.org
    http://www.nrapublications.org/celebration/default.asp


    Chris Cox states in the begining this is NOT a endorsement for a candidate it was merely a symposium for presedential candidates regarding the 2A. Mr. Ron Paul for what ever reason chose NOT to attend. Therefore he was not mentioned since he was not in attendance. So are you upset because he did not attend by his own choice? I'm interested can you please explain.
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    As much as I agree with what's been said and am frustrated by the same, I can't see how this can continue without breaking the "no political talk unless specifically about the Second Amendment" rule...


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    I'm with the NRA and support it.
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    Don't want to get into anything in depth on the political issue .. but as an FYI here is something that I got in email today ...

    From: ILA-Contact [mailto:ILA-Contact@nrahq.org]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:41 AM
    To: ILA-Contact
    Subject: RE: Ron Paul



    Dear Sir/Ma'am,

    Thank you for your email to the NRA-ILA regarding Ron Paul. You mentioned that you think the NRA is ignoring Ron Paul's candidacy for the presidency; I assume you are referencing the site on which you saw the presidential candidates on our website. Allow me to clarify that this site solely addresses the Celebration of American Values conference which the NRA recently held in Washington, DC. Congressman Ron Paul was invited to the National Rifle Association's Celebration of American Values conference, but the NRA did not receive a response from him. As a result, there is no mention of your candidate in the article. If Congressman Paul had accepted the invitation, or contacted the NRA prior to the event, every effort would have been made to accommodate his appearance. In fact, NRA did work with a number of candidates who did not RSVP and we facilitated their appearance in person or via videotaped message. The same courtesy would have been given to the Ron Paul campaign had they contacted us. If and when the NRA has another candidate forum, we would hope that Congressman Paul would participate - either in person, or via videotaped message.

    The NRA-PVF has not yet released its grades or endorsements for the upcoming presidential election. The NRA's candidate endorsement process is a complex one, and the Political Victory Fund takes great care to examine many factors when endorsing a candidate. First and foremost is a candidate's demonstrated record on firearms, hunting and civil liberties issues relative to firearms and hunting. We support incumbent officeholders who have a record of supporting Second Amendment rights, building a relationship of mutual trust with them. Our grades and endorsements are then reported to NRA members via our Political Preference Charts (PPC), which are available on the NRA-PVF website (http://www.NRAPVF.org), and either included in NRA's magazines, or mailed directly to members prior to Election Day.

    When deciding where to apply our efforts in various races nationwide, we consider whether the candidate has a reasonable chance of winning. Some pro-Second Amendment candidates, unfortunately are so handicapped by local political conditions, lack of funds, lack of staff or volunteer support, and other difficulties that even a massive NRA effort could not put them over the top and would simple be a waste of NRA members' time and money. On the other hand, some pro-Second Amendment candidates may be in such a strong position politically that little or no expenditure of resources is necessary to ensure their reelection, and our efforts can go to a more critical race elsewhere.

    Your concern regarding our endorsement of Ron Paul is very much appreciated, and I assure you that the NRA only endorses those candidates who support your Second Amendment rights. Once again, thank you for your comments. If you need any additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me at (800) 392-8683.

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    If Ron Paul wins, what demons will the NRA trot out to raise money. Most of the NRA lobbying side would be out of work overnight. If Hillary wins they will get so much money that it will be great for the NRA and its employees. So who do you think they are supporting. I'll bet some of the NRA staff will probably vote for Hillary. They say Americans vote their pocketbooks and some of the NRA employee's jobs depend on Ron Paul not winning.

    Maybe I'm to cynical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby500KR View Post
    If Ron Paul wins, what demons will the NRA trot out to raise money. Most of the NRA lobbying side would be out of work overnight. If Hillary wins they will get so much money that it will be great for the NRA and its employees. So who do you think they are supporting. I'll bet some of the NRA staff will probably vote for Hillary. They say Americans vote their pocketbooks and some of the NRA employee's jobs depend on Ron Paul not winning.

    Maybe I'm to cynical?
    LOL yeah you know whats going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby500KR View Post
    ...They say Americans vote their pocketbooks and some of the NRA employee's jobs depend on Ron Paul not winning.

    Maybe I'm to cynical?
    You think? This is about like the suggestions I've seen that squirt gun owners are against repealing the Hughes amendment.

    Do you think that if by some miracle Ron Paul were to win the presidency, all the gun grabbers would just give up the fight? Somehow I don't think so.

    I fully expect that were the SCOTUS to give us broad, sweeping recognition of the 2nd amendment as an individual right, and note for the record that the amendment applies to the states as well as the feds, (about as likely as RP sitting in the oval office) the gun grabbers would immediately draft an amendment to repeal the 2nd and set about getting it passed. They're _not_ just going to go away, no matter how much we might wish they would.

    I'm sure employees of the NRA feel just fine about their job security. :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby500KR View Post
    If Ron Paul wins, what demons will the NRA trot out to raise money. Most of the NRA lobbying side would be out of work overnight. If Hillary wins they will get so much money that it will be great for the NRA and its employees. So who do you think they are supporting. I'll bet some of the NRA staff will probably vote for Hillary. They say Americans vote their pocketbooks and some of the NRA employee's jobs depend on Ron Paul not winning.

    Maybe I'm to cynical?
    Could be.



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    Although we disagree on "chances" of a certain candidate winning, cmidkiff brings up a very valid point about "job security" for NRA lobbyists.

    Proponents of gun control have not stopped since the very beginning. Period. Ever. Hell, folks where guns are banned, folks are still trying to ban other things (kicking?). The pervasive mindset bent on not so much blaming an object, but rather assuming the presence of an object represents an increased threat to safety and security, is one that has endured across the globe for a little over a century (I believe the first true national "gun control measure" was in 1903 England, regarding pistols).


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