PA Black Caucus Wants Gun Control Legislation

PA Black Caucus Wants Gun Control Legislation

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    PA Black Caucus Wants Gun Control Legislation

    http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...over_guns.html

    Black Caucus walks out over guns
    The Pa. legislators, mostly from this region, want House colleagues to reconsider a trio of firearms bills.

    By Angela Couloumbis and Mario F. Cattabiani

    Inquirer Harrisburg Bureau

    HARRISBURG - At least a dozen members of the Legislative Black Caucus abruptly walked off the House floor yesterday, saying they were angered and frustrated over the lack of movement on any meaningful gun-control legislation.

    "This wasn't a walkout - this was a stand-up. It was a stand-up for a cause," said Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland (D., Delaware), chairman of the Legislative Black Caucus. ". . . What we did today was start a movement. What we did today was raise the bar and raised the issue about lives being lost in our various communities."

    The 12 members, almost all from Philadelphia and its suburbs, asked to be placed on leave just as debate had begun on a bill to make government records more accessible, one of the few major items left on the legislative agenda this year. Soon after, the House went into recess, and several hours later, broke for the day without explanation.

    While on the floor, caucus members did not explain in detail why they were requesting the leaves. But they made it clear soon after: They want to refocus attention on legislation they believe would help stem the relentless spate of violence in Philadelphia and other cities.

    Kirkland acknowledged that the caucus timed the event to coincide with the start of debate on widening the state's open-records law.

    "We got their attention," he said. "It was an opportunity, and when an opportunity arises you have to take that opportunity."

    It was unclear yesterday when the group planned to return from leave - although adding to the confusion and dissonance of the day, several caucus members were spotted milling around on the House floor in the late afternoon.

    It's not the first time the black caucus has employed such a tactic.

    In late June, the group warned it would withhold its votes and potentially thwart passage of the state budget until gun measures were considered. However, Kirkland lifted that threat days later after meeting with legislative leaders and NRA officials. He said at the time that he was satisfied with the progress being made on the issue.

    Right after yesterday's walkout, caucus members met privately with House leaders. Both sides emerged saying they had jump-started "a conversation" on guns.

    But what transpired during that meeting was a source of confusion.

    Rep. Tony Payton Jr. (D., Phila.) said the group wanted to revive a trio of bills, two of which were recently struck down in the House Judiciary Committee, and have them voted on by the House's full membership. One of the measures would limit Pennsylvania residents to one handgun purchase a month.

    After the meeting, though, Kirkland said a mere floor vote on those three bills was not enough. He said the caucus would not be satisfied unless those and other gun-control bills were passed and signed into law. He would not be more specific.

    Kirkland, as well as Rep. Jewell Williams (D., Phila.), said the caucus has often supported other lawmakers on bills important to their constituents.

    "What we are just saying is that we've been helping you . . . all we want is some help to resolve the crime and violence," Williams said.

    Kirkland said the caucus supported open-records legislation, but cast yesterday's walkout as a matter of priority.

    "When we have to walk by an open casket, day in and day out, our priority is to make sure that guns are taken off the street," he said.

    Just last month, the House Judiciary Committee voted down bills that would would have limited handgun purchases to one a month, as well as allow municipalities to enact their own gun legislation. The committee tabled a measure that would require owners to report lost or stolen guns immediately to police.

    The committee's action came despite an appeal by Gov. Rendell, who, in a rare move, requested to testify on the gun-control measures. Several polls show a majority of Pennsylvanians support laws limiting gun purchases to one a month.

    On Monday, Rendell, Mayor Street, Mayor-elect Michael Nutter, and a number of other mayors from across the state are scheduled to appear at a news conference in the Capitol, organized by CeasefirePA, to revive discussion on gun-control measures.

    "The simple fact is, we're not going away," said Phil Goldsmith, president of CeasefirePA. "This issue is not going away."

    Besides Kirkland, Payton and Williams, those who walked out were Reps. John Myers (D., Phila.); Angel Cruz (D., Phila.), Rosita Youngblood (D., Phila.); Curtis Thomas (D., Phila.); Thomas W. Blackwell (D., Phila.); James Roebuck (D., Phila.); Jake Wheatley (D., Allegheny); Cherelle Parker (D. Phila.); and Harold James (D., Phila.)

    Contact staff writer Angela Couloumbis at 717-787-5934 or acouloumbis@phillynews.com.
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    "One gun a month." If a BG already has 6 guns, how is only getting number 7 a month from now going to stop him/her from going to the nearest mall and shooting people? Or, if that one gun they got yesterday is an AK and they also got 4 extra magazines for it, they could conceivably take out 150 people.

    Stupid.

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    I think it is quite ironic that many claim that many of the present gun restrictions were put into place to keep blacks from getting guns after the Waqr of Northern Aggression and denounce them as being racist. Here we have the blacks protesting the lack of gun control laws. Other than finding the stand of the two sides on this quite ironic I am not making any other comment.

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    One gun a month. Yeah that'll work. Like the BG's buy their guns at the local gun store!

    If they really want to cut down on crime they will work on legislation that empowers their constituents to defend themselves and not religate them to the status crime victim.

    Washington, D.C. has had some of the strictest gun control laws in the country for years. Yet it has often lead the country in homicides. Gee, how can it be that people get shot in a "gun free zone"???

    IF these guys would work on getting the street gangs and drug dealers out of Philly, they would see crime drop like a rock. Why not pass legislation that authorizes an LEO or armed private citizen to shoot gang bangers and drug dealers on site. I suspect that would stop street crime over night! (Yes, yes I know that is just stupid and we have this thing called presumption of innocence and right to a fair trial, etc. But it would have a drastic impact on crime!)

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    "When we have to walk by an open casket, day in and day out, our priority is to make sure that guns are taken off the street," he said.

    It's not the guns that need to be taken off the street.

    A gun could sit in the street for 1,000 years and it would never put anybody in a casket all by itself.

    Take the thugs off the street. They are all multiple repeat offenders.
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    QK has that sewn up - perfectly.

    ''Illogical (bigotted) Caucus'' - is the new name for these people.
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    Take the dirt bags off the street and keep them off by running all sentences consectutive instead of concurrent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    I think it is quite ironic that many claim that many of the present gun restrictions were put into place to keep blacks from getting guns after the Waqr of Northern Aggression and denounce them as being racist. Here we have the blacks protesting the lack of gun control laws. Other than finding the stand of the two sides on this quite ironic I am not making any other comment.
    This is a valid point. The initiation of gun control was racists at its very core. Not only blacks but Hispanics were the target. Simply enacting a tax stamp and then selectively choosing to only make a limited number of them and be very selective about approving sale of them was designed to keep Blacks and Hispanics unarmed. Because this was done through the Treasury Dept it was not a ban but a "tax" and effectively functioned as a Ban. As we all know BATF was under the Treasury Dept (until very recently) for that very reason. They could operate behind the disguise of a revenue dept skirting the 2nd amendment. And we called them "revenuers" for a reason.

    But gun control laws take their root in Racism. The problem is that we looked the other way and all agreed to them setting a precedence. Little did we realize they would be extended to be used against all of us.

    We also know that "taxes" and "Stamps" are a clever way of enacting laws without legislation in other areas. For instance, because of the success of the Stamps for Firearms, Marijuana was also first regulated in this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    This is a valid point. The initiation of gun control was racists at its very core. Not only blacks but Hispanics were the target. ...........

    ...... But gun control laws take their root in Racism. The problem is that we looked the other way and all agreed to them setting a precedence. Little did we realize they would be extended to be used against all of us.
    .......
    http://www.blackmanwithagun.com/site...c_id=140000845

    YEAR JURISDICTION STATUTE

    1640 Virginia Race-based total gun and self-defense ban.

    "Prohibiting negroes, slave and free, from carrying weapons including clubs." (The Los Angeles Times, "To Fight Crime, Some Blacks Attack Gun Control," January 19, 1992)

    1640 Virginia Race-based total gun ban. "That all such free Mulattoes, Negroes and Indians… shall appear without arms." [7 The Statues at Large; Being a Collection of all the Laws of Virginia, from the First Session of the Legislature, in the Year 1619, p. 95 (W.W. Henning ed. 1823).] (GMU CR LJ, p. 67)

    1712 Virginia Race-based total gun ban. "An Act for Preventing Negroes Insurrections." (Henning, p. 481) (GMU CR LJ, p. 70)

    1712 South Carolina Race-based total gun ban. "An act for the better ordering and governing of Negroes and slaves." [7 Statutes at Large of South Carolina , p. 353-54 (D.J.McCord ed. 1836-1873).] (GMU CR LJ, p. 70)

    1791 2nd Amendment to the Constitution ratified. Reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    1792 Blacks excluded from the militia, i.e. law-abiding males thus instilled with the right to own guns. Uniform Militia Act of 1792 "called for the enrollment of every free, able-bodied white male citizen between the ages of eighteen and forty-five" to be in the militia, and specified that every militia member was to "provide himself with a musket or firelock, a bayonet, and ammunition." [1 Stat. 271 (Georgetown Law Journal, Vol. 80, No. 2, "The Second Amendment: Toward an Afro-Americanist Reconsideration," Robert Cottrol and Raymond Diamond, 1991, p. 331)]

    1806 Louisiana Complete gun and self-defense ban for slaves. Black Code, ch. 33, Sec. 19, Laws of La. 150, 160 (1806) provided that a slave was denied the use of firearms and all other offensive weapons. (GLJ, p. 337)

    1811 Louisiana Complete gun ban for slaves. Act of April 8, 1811, ch. 14, 1811 Laws of La. 50, 53-54, forbade sale or delivery of firearms to slaves. ( Id. )

    1819 South Carolina Master's permission required for gun possession by slave. Act of Dec. 18, 1819, 1819 Acts of S.C. 28, 31, prohibited slaves outside the company of whites or without written permission from their master from using or carrying firearms unless they were hunting or guarding the master's plantation. ( Id. )

    1825 Florida Slave and free black homes searched for guns for confiscation. "An Act to Govern Patrols," 1825 Acts of Fla. 52, 55 - Section 8 provided that white citizen patrols "shall enter into all negro houses and suspected places, and search for arms and other offensive or improper weapons, and may lawfully seize and take away all such arms, weapons, and ammunition… ." Section 9 provided that a slave might carry a firearm under this statute either by means of the weekly renewable license or if "in the presence of some white person." ( Id. )

    1828 Florida Free blacks permitted to carry guns if court approval. Act of Nov. 17, 1828 Sec. 9, 1828 Fla. Laws 174, 177; Act of Jan. 12, 1828, Sec. 9, 1827 Fla. Laws 97, 100 - Florida went back and forth on the question of licenses for free blacks; twice in 1828, Florida enacted provisions providing for free blacks to carry and use firearms upon obtaining a license from a justice of the peace. ( Id. )

    1831 Florida Race-based total gun ban. Act of Jan. 1831, 1831 Fla. Laws 30 - Florida repealed all provision for firearm licenses for free blacks. (Id. p. 337-38)

    1831 Delaware Free blacks permitted to carry guns if court approval. In the December 1831 legislative session, Delaware required free blacks desiring to carry firearms to obtain a license from a justice of the peace. [(Herbert Aptheker, Nat Turner's Slave Rebellion, p. 74-75 (1966).] (GLJ, p. 338)

    1831 Maryland Race-based total gun ban. In the December 1831 legislative session, Maryland entirely prohibited free blacks from carrying arms. (Aptheker, p. 75) (Id., p. 338)

    1831 Virginia Race-based total gun ban. In the December 1831 legislative session, Virginia entirely prohibited free blacks from carrying arms. (Aptheker, p. 81) (Id., p. 338)

    1833 Florida Slave and free black homes searched for guns for confiscation. Act of Feb. 17, 1833, ch. 671, Sec. 15, 17, 1833 Fla. Laws 26, 29 authorized white citizen patrols to seize arms found in the homes of slaves and free blacks, and provided that blacks without a proper explanation for the presence of the firearms be summarily punished, without benefit of a judicial tribunal. ( Id. p. 338)

    more reference at the link above

    Too bad Blacks and Hispanics had been brainwashed, and to-date they refuse to learn

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    I think it is quite ironic that many claim that many of the present gun restrictions were put into place to keep blacks from getting guns after the War of Northern Aggression and denounce them as being racist. Here we have the blacks protesting the lack of gun control laws. Other than finding the stand of the two sides on this quite ironic I am not making any other comment.
    It is indeed ironic, and IMHO telling toward a lack of understanding or even knowledge of American history broadly and history of the Negro in America specifically.

    When asked by persons IRL (and my wife) why it is I choose to own guns and/or carry, I will as myself being Negro will respond that I do so because people before me lost everything and lived lives of constant fear and disenfranchisement over the singular point of the inability to defend themselves whilst as Americans trying to live and pursue happiness under a society of broad scale injustice in America. People have bled, died, and given everything including their lives so that we Americans and me in specific as a Negro might have the simple human right to protect ourselves and our own and ensure our ability to at a basic minimum survive and live as a free people.

    These people today who without extended thought at knee jerk reaction so cavalierly seek to voluntarilly throw away their basic human rights as well as those of their neighbor are IMHO completely ignorant. Ignorant of history. Ignorant of what great value it is that they are seeking to toss away. Ignorant of what their real problems are within society at large and within our community, that of the Negro e.g. Black people, in specific.

    I wonder what persons of not so long ago might say to these persons of the Legislative Black Caucus. Persons from the not so distant past like Malcolm X, or the Medgar Evers, or the Pullman strikers who were fired upon and some killed by U.S. Govt. military in the business interest of a corporation (!), or the many men, women, and children who died fighting during th Civil War toward securing a single joined country that amongst other things allowed all people singular and same rights including whole observation of the Bill of Rights inclusive of the second amendment, or for that matter the person who was the victim of English tyranny and who stood up to them at the face of and penalty of their guns resulting in the so called 'Shot heard 'round the world' that started a revolution...a Negro by the name of Crispus Attucks.
    I wonder if these persons would understand, agree with, and endorse the idiocy in action and long term loss that these fools today so eagerly support and seek?
    My gut as based on the history of those peoples actions leads me to believe they would not.

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    They need to focus their attention on the REAL problem.
    Young black men killing other young black men.

    Get to the root of that and the rest of the problems will take care of themselves. Guns are a mere tool. Getting rid of one tool just results in using another tool to do the job.

    Until they figure that out, they are wasting time and effort.
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    Great reply Janq, I enjoy reading your posts.

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    I will as myself being Negro
    Janq, you must be fairly old. I havent even seen that in writing in years. Great posts BTW.
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    Cool

    IGNORANCE.

    It's more common than sense these days.



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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Janq, you must be fairly old. I havent even seen that in writing in years.
    HG,

    I'm 37.

    I most commonly refer to myself as either being 'Negro' or 'Black'.
    I'm not keen on the most popular descriptor of 'African-American' toward myself or most as me and others have largely never been to Africa and our derivation toward as much is muted at best. But that's a whole other story and thread toward history.

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