The SWISS have been reduced to SHEEP....

The SWISS have been reduced to SHEEP....

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    Switzerland Strips All Citizens of Gun Rights

    Despite the vehement protests from many of Switzerland’s cantons (states), the lower chamber of the nation’s Federal Assembly voted to strip its citizens of gun rights, not by registering or confiscating firearms, but by outlawing the storing of ammunition in the homes of the citizens.

    According to The Liberty Zone, the move was led by Switzerland’s small but vocal–and powerful–Socialist minority. And apparently it was a leading women’s magazine who aided the Socialists in the cause. Having failed at attempts to take the guns themselves from homes and store them in government facilities, the new law takes aim at ammo rather than the guns. The Swiss are still allowed to possess firearms; they simply will not be allowed to possess the ammunition to use them.

    This is the backdoor method of disarming citizens, and it is very effective. The ban also applies to the male citizens who make up Switzerland’s time-honored citizens’ militia. Even they will be required to keep their ammo at approved government facilities.

    The fact that a Leftist minority group was able to convince a majority of representatives in the Swiss Federal Assembly to approve the measure is considered a major victory for Socialism and the push to strip individual citizens of the right to keep and bear arms. In a stunning example of what Leftists can do when citizens are not paying attention, the Socialist ban on ammunition in the homes of the Swiss people should be a stark lesson for U.S. citizens who wish to preserve the right to keep and bear arms. Anti-gun groups do not have to register or confiscate firearms to win the battle.

    Rather, the growing modus operandi of the gun control movement is to render a Constitutional right null, void, and useless by implementing legislation aimed at things such as ammunition rather than the actual guns themselves.

    Within the U.S. the anti-gun movement does not even have to introduce legislation. A mere executive order by an Administration in the 1990s has been all it takes for a massive assault to ensue on gun shops, gun manufacturers, and other facets of the gun industry, to begin to gradually rob the citizens of their rights to keep and bear arms. This is presently being accomplished by a rogue arm of the Department of Justice–the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives–which has succeeded in shutting down 80% of the gun stores, and gun and ammo manufacturers, within the U.S.

    The prevailing wisdom, similar to what we find in Switzerland, is to attack gun ownership by focusing on various facets of the gun and ammo industry rather than to directly attack the citizens’ guns. This effectively renders useless any supposed right to own, possess, and use a firearm without addressing the firearms themselves at all–a perfect example of disarming the citizens using the backdoor method. Switzerland has been the last bastion of real gun rights in Europe. Now even the Swiss have fallen to the sly and seductive ways of the Socialist anti-gun movement.

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    Don't know what to say. I never would have expected that from Switzerland. I wonder what "problem" the minority presented that would be "fixed" by taking ammo away?
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    Goes to show - there's more than one way to get around things constitutional ........ subterfuge I call it.

    This very bad news indeed.
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    Not quite, apparently...

    Comments in the referenced article point to this thread, according to which what they have actually prohibited is enlisted military storing their issued ammo at home. I don't know the details, but the commenters state that this is just codifying an existing SOP, so it does not, in practice, change all that much...

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    The left at work; but, as stated above, I'm not sure as to the actual effect on citizens yet. If in fact, it does eliminate the storage of ammo at home for all, it's a major slap to their citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    Comments in the referenced article point to this thread, according to which what they have actually prohibited is enlisted military storing their issued ammo at home. I don't know the details, but the commenters state that this is just codifying an existing SOP, so it does not, in practice, change all that much...
    If this is the case then this is much ado about nothing. Do we allow our military and or National Guard to store issued ammo at home? For that matter do we, on a regular basis, even allow them to store the issued firearm at home?

    Lets get more facts here before we react.

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    Wink Hold on...

    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    If this is the case then this is much ado about nothing. Do we allow our military and or National Guard to store issued ammo at home? For that matter do we, on a regular basis, even allow them to store the issued firearm at home?

    Lets get more facts here before we react.
    You cannot equate our national guard to theirs. Heck we don't even nowadays allow our ACTIVE duty military the right of CCW on post and weapons owned by family members if quartered in base housing often must be held until individual use days or PCS by either the provost marshall or the unit arms room. In my day (Cold War), "on post" ccw was no big deal, especially for an officer.

    The SWISS have a select fire weapon at home and a basic load of ammo that is just enough to let them fight their way (should it be needed) to the armory and really fill up with a full battle load. Every male citizen is in the militia.

    When I was overseas in the 80's on a deployment I got a chance to see how they train. In effect for a three day weekend the whole freakin' country shut down for "war games." This national FTX culminates in a rifle shooting competition for which the rotating trophy is about five feet tall. Each and every Swiss town or village (no matter how small), by law has to have at least TWO shooting ranges.

    Do you understand the history of this SWISS Militia?

    Waaaaay back before WWI, the heads of state for most of the involved countries held a "summit" in Switzerland. During a break the German Chancellor spoke to the Swiss PM or equivalent. There were witnesses. History doesn't record the exact verbiage of the conversation, but the gist can be summed up thusly:

    German: So I understand that you in Switzerland have no standing army,that in fact your military consists of your male citizens with their own guns?

    Swiss PM: Ummmmm YUP.

    German: And you have about 250,000 men under arms, now?

    Swiss PM: 'Bout that. Yup.

    German: So what would you do if I sent about a MILLION infantry across your border?

    Swiss PM ~pauses in deep thought~ Well, I guess we'd give all of our guys FOUR bullets. We'd shoot them and we'd all go out for a BEER.

    There's a reason the Krauts never invaded the Swiss beyond the fact that the Swiss banks held their stolen loot. The Swiss Alpine troops have a skill at arms that is not to be matched. Even the older men form a sort of "Home Guard" that can deploy on bicycles in town.

    If the socialists have stripped their citizenry of the bullets they'd need to fire back the first volley until heavier loads can be had, then it's a very big deal indeed.

    On the whole face of the earth there were but three Democracies that could boast such trust in their citizenry: USA, Israel and Switzerland. I don't know about you, but I feel just a little bit more isolated than I did before I heard this disturbing news.
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    Oh I understand it alright.... we don't let our guys take em home in any shape of fashion. So why are we getting all worked up calling THEM sheep when we don't let our boys have em at home with or without ammo? I don't like that neither! But it is what it is.

    Thats my point.

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    Wink Switzerland was just another step in the wrong direction....

    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    Oh I understand it alright.... we don't let our guys take em home in any shape of fashion. So why are we getting all worked up calling THEM sheep when we don't let our boys have em at home with or without ammo? I don't like that neither! But it is what it is.

    Thats my point.
    I think you're missing my point. We still allow for our citizens to have fully automatic, belt fed class III weapons with a minimal level of intrusiveness. It's not even a permit, it's a TAX STAMP. Pay the $200 tax and go thru the BATFE background check and THEN you get to shell out the 35+ K for the weapon. Still, belt fed blasters can be had for private sale and private use.

    Ever see some of Mike Dillon's toys? There are whole Class III clubs across this country. Even the SWISS don't (and never did) allow that.

    Our Congress has tried to squelch the supplies via the McClure/Volkmer bill that IIRC allowed for Class III as long as it was of 1985 manufacture or prior. So the WWII guns went to the top of the charts, but the way around that today is to purchase an H&K MP5 re-made from parts and using only a older SEAR system to make for select fire capability.

    No we don't allow grenade launchers or TOW missiles, but they're area weapons. The critical thing with the SWISS is that with their ability to instantly defend themselves from incursions to whom must they seek for military help? Remember they're neutral. So they have to go crawling to the UN and that's what the UN seeks on our soil.
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    On the whole face of the earth there were but three Democracies that could boast such trust in their citizenry: USA, Israel and Switzerland. I don't know about you, but I feel just a little bit more isolated than I did before I heard this disturbing news.
    Yep...one down two to go.

    And the folks at the U.N. smile,laugh and giggle and gleefully rub their hands in anticpation of that prospect while people here argue that it will never happen here.
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