No weapons at work
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December 9th, 2007 05:36 PM
No weapons at work
Hello, everbody. I just got home from work today, we had a meeting on business ethics and work place etiquette. We had to watch a little video an good business practices and work place rules. No big deal, alot of stuff about not stealing and how to recognize racial and sexual harrassment.
I've seen this before, they update it every couple of years and make us rewatch it. No big deal right? Then i was reading the book that came with it, along with a page at the back that we are supposed to read, acknowledge, and sign. There was one new paragraph that caught my attention. there are no weapons of any kind allowed on the property. Specified as fire arms, even if you are licenced to have one, no knives or any incindeary devices. I
work in a new car dealership, in the service dept as a tech. We are owned buy a very large corp. that owns about 400 dealers around the country. So as I'm going back to my work area, I run into my service manager, he asked if I saw the video. I told him there was a problem. That we had to get rid of all the torches in the shop. I said I had a prob with this and I did not want to give up my torch even thogh it's an incindeary device. Now, he's pretty cool, and knows where I stand on guns and weapons, we've talked alot obout it. He just lloked at me and said " if you have a " torch " in your truck or in your tool box, and I don't know about, I don't care."
So i guess i either leave my 1911 at home most of the time, as well as my benchmade pocket knife, and probably my cig lighter. Or I just be very careful about who knows what about me. Anyone olse deal with this kind of policy? And how do you deal with it? By the way, I still have not sighned the acknowledgment of policy.
December 9th, 2007 06:04 PM
'NO KNIVES' in a garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's really dumb, just look at all the blunt instruments that can be used as a better weapon than a knife.....If I'm attacked in my garage & I don't have a firearm.....I'm not going for a knife....I'm looking for the nearest ax, hammer, shovel...etc....
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December 9th, 2007 06:45 PM
I'm an automotive service writer. So I understand the types of tools you use/need to do your job properly. I think a funny/interesting thing to do is to find ,and print up all the possible stories you can of wrenchs,hammers, rachets,etc being used as weapons and show your boss and let him know how screwed y'all are b/c all your tools are now banned from the property!
(EDIT: And I do mean ALL your tools are *technically* banned. My expereince with those types of wording is that they like to be very specific about words by choice,yet interestly enough if your specific on what they say, than your tools set,100% are banned.
Wrenches? Duh, blunt object.
Larger rachet Handles? Another duh.
Airgun? Could be used as a tortue device, I'd define that as a "weapon of a kind".
Sodering Irons? Incindeary?
Does anybody smoke at your shop? No more lighters!
Better not drive your car for that matter, you can use that as a weapon, and there is an incindeary device underneath the hood the burns gasoline.
Have any pens/pencils to fill out paperwork? I'm sure you could poke an eye out,definitely a "kind of weapon".
Paperwork? Oh,watch out for papercuts!
Steel toe'd safety shoes? Oh no! Those could be used as a "kind of weapon" as well.
Don't wear belts on your pants anymore, don't want any of the bosses thikning your going to hang or stranlge a co-worker with that "kind of weapon."
"To blame a gun for a mans decision is to foolishly attribute free will to an inanimate object"- Colion Noir.
December 9th, 2007 07:16 PM
gun, what gun? i dont know what your talking about
December 9th, 2007 07:26 PM
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December 9th, 2007 07:31 PM
Not the best situation, but at least you can keep it in your truck. I can't even do that at a high school in FL...
It does sound like your boss is cool about it though...
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December 9th, 2007 07:47 PM
I wouldn't make a huge stink about it. Your boss seems to have his head on straight, and it's not illegal for you to keep your "torch" in your truck, so I say keep your mouth shut and don't worry about it.
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Is this hard to understand? Then why does it get unintelligible to some people when 5 little words are changed?
December 9th, 2007 07:56 PM
Your manager didn't "get" that you were saying that the work in your department can't get done if you all are abiding by the workplace policy??
Originally Posted by toytek065
If I were you, I would not leave the gun at home. If it's a full size 1911, I would switch to something concealable that can be worn in a SmartCarry. I'd suggest a Glock 27 -- that is, unless you can 100% effectively carry the 1911 concealed, without ANY printing, in ALL situations and positions in which you might find yourself during the workday.
How is it that they have not made you sign the policy? Did you slip through the cracks? If you can, just let them forget about it. That could end up protecting you if you are ever caught carrying and they want to fire you.
But I would say CARRY, and KEEP QUIET about it. That also means don't discuss the issue with co-workers, and probably don't go shooting with co-workers, if you were so inclined. Let them forget ALLLLL about you and guns.
December 9th, 2007 08:56 PM
I have worked in many industries at many jobs, and have yet to find one where my pocket knives weren't the most vital of tools. This includes working as a service tech at several tire stores and gas stations, and as service and parts department manager at several new car dealerships.
There days I guess I can skip the folder, after all, Mohammed says a box cutter is just as good, and when I need to remove a state inspection sticker, instead of a razor, I probably could just can gnaw it off with my front teeth.
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December 14th, 2007 12:03 PM
Look at the Wisconsin Governor, Doyle, he's vetoed concealed carry twice now and has not had it overrode.
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December 14th, 2007 12:51 PM
There's a weird little twist in Tennessee law. It states (paraphrasing) that you cannot be prosecuted for defending your life or the lives of others with an illegally-carried weapon.
Originally Posted by toytek065
Your post somehow reminded me of this.
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December 14th, 2007 01:02 PM
My work is the same way. they say no guns or knifes. I carry a knife fairly visable clipped to my pocket. No one has ever said anything. I also carry a S&W 442 in my pocket. No one ever sees that therefore no one has ever said anything. Keep quiet and keep it concealed and you will be fine.
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December 14th, 2007 02:07 PM
Mine too.....not even allowed to have it on company property. I have to go disarmed from home to work and from work to home. It sucks when I have to run errands after work.
December 18th, 2007 03:44 AM
I dont know the situation to well but could you park accross the street or next door? That is not there property? If not Just carry and dont say anything. And is the service and dealer ship owned by the same CO. or is service different co. maybe park in dealers parking lot instead
I drive co truck and not supposed to carry but hey LOL i work in some pretty F***** up areas and am all over the state so no one can tell me that i cannot protect myself.
My life is worth more than my job..
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